[arista]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Resi...&vertical=tren

[user104658]

It was badly mishandled at the beginning of Covid, they were deploying addictions nurses to wards leaving people stuck in lock-down with absolutely no support network, but the decisions were actually being made at NHS Trust level not by the government - the government actually stepped in and put a stop to that madness when they realised it was happening. Sadly too late for many whose substance abuse had worsened.

Of course it can't be put down entirely to Covid times but isolation/lock-downs have been an absolute disaster in terms of addictions. Worsening for people who were already addicts, and plenty of people who had no problematic substance use pre-covid sitting getting drunk every night on furlough and then finding themselves a year down the line with an alcohol dependancy.

I don't think we'll ever know the full "true" impact of Covid. Deliberate overdoses/suicides way up too.

[arista]

Yes STV1HD
showing Conservative plans are better

[Tom4784]

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[Cherie]

34 to 50 age group so we are not talking kids, so what is going wrong

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

34 to 50 age group so we are not talking kids, so what is going wrong

SNP.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

34 to 50 age group so we are not talking kids, so what is going wrong

In short, that is the age group who were worst affected when their parents were ****ed over by Thatcher.

It’s a slight over-simplification but it’s a huge part of the picture.

Late 80’s, Thatcher policies utterly decimated Scottish industrial/mining towns, the lurch into poverty saw many who were teens/kids at the time end up falling into a subculture of heroin abuse, and those people are now middle aged and dying (or descending into psychosis).

That’s why the problem is biggest in Glasgow (which was a heavily industrialised city) and smaller ex-mining towns.

Obviously addiction still happens in younger age groups but heroin, specifically, disproportionately affects that age range. And it’s the opiates that’ll kill you. Take a bit too much over the course of 24h and you’ll just go to sleep and stop breathing.

To claim that it’s the SNP is utter nonsense, these people were shooting up LONG before the rise of the SNP quite obviously.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In short, that is the age group who were worst affected when their parents were ****ed over by Thatcher.

It’s a slight over-simplification but it’s a huge part of the picture.

Late 80’s, Thatcher policies utterly decimated Scottish industrial/mining towns, the lurch into poverty saw many who were teens/kids at the time end up falling into a subculture of heroin abuse, and those people are now middle aged and dying (or descending into psychosis).

That’s why the problem is biggest in Glasgow (which was a heavily industrialised city) and smaller ex-mining towns.

Obviously addiction still happens in younger age groups but heroin, specifically, disproportionately affects that age range. And it’s the opiates that’ll kill you. Take a bit too much over the course of 24h and you’ll just go to sleep and stop breathing.

To claim that it’s the SNP is utter nonsense, these people were shooting up LONG before the rise of the SNP quite obviously.

I agree with all you say above.

It's a difficult issue to deal with too.

It's desperately sad and it's good to see the efforts being put into trying to get some hopeful change.

It's not going to happen overnight, of course the last almost year and a half hasn't been helpful to the sad problem either.

It's a decades old issue at least, as you said.
With still a long way to go as to dealing with it too.
Desperately sad

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In short, that is the age group who were worst affected when their parents were ****ed over by Thatcher.

It’s a slight over-simplification but it’s a huge part of the picture.

Late 80’s, Thatcher policies utterly decimated Scottish industrial/mining towns, the lurch into poverty saw many who were teens/kids at the time end up falling into a subculture of heroin abuse, and those people are now middle aged and dying (or descending into psychosis).

That’s why the problem is biggest in Glasgow (which was a heavily industrialised city) and smaller ex-mining towns.

Obviously addiction still happens in younger age groups but heroin, specifically, disproportionately affects that age range. And it’s the opiates that’ll kill you. Take a bit too much over the course of 24h and you’ll just go to sleep and stop breathing.

To claim that it’s the SNP is utter nonsense, these people were shooting up LONG before the rise of the SNP quite obviously.

Well that's cute, but if these people have been shooting up long before the snp took charge, why have the numbers risen 7yrs in a row?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In short, that is the age group who were worst affected when their parents were ****ed over by Thatcher.

It’s a slight over-simplification but it’s a huge part of the picture.

Late 80’s, Thatcher policies utterly decimated Scottish industrial/mining towns, the lurch into poverty saw many who were teens/kids at the time end up falling into a subculture of heroin abuse, and those people are now middle aged and dying (or descending into psychosis).

That’s why the problem is biggest in Glasgow (which was a heavily industrialised city) and smaller ex-mining towns.

Obviously addiction still happens in younger age groups but heroin, specifically, disproportionately affects that age range. And it’s the opiates that’ll kill you. Take a bit too much over the course of 24h and you’ll just go to sleep and stop breathing.

To claim that it’s the SNP is utter nonsense, these people were shooting up LONG before the rise of the SNP quite obviously.

Late 80’s, Thatcher policies utterly decimated Scottish industrial/mining towns

Without "thatcher" where are these towns now?

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Showed a Shocking graph

10,000 deaths.


100,000 are addicted to hard drugs
but only 18 special beds available

[Beso]

Theres already a thread.

[arista]

I need to be Merged to yours

[Beso]

A good read, thank you TS.

That was much cuter.

[Alf]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

What an angry little man . Birds of a feather I suppose eh Alf.

[Beso]

Sounds about right to me.

[user104658]

Ohhh wait this is the "white guys scored" guy, right? Gosh he really is trying isn't he, bless his socks!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ohhh wait this is the "white guys scored" guy, right? Gosh he really is trying isn't he, bless his socks!

Well, he seems to be trying at his job far more than Nikki Krankie is trying at hers.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well, he seems to be trying at his job far more than Nikki Krankie is trying at hers.

It's a complex issue, I've talked above about how it isn't one that was caused by the SNP, the SNP have only had any real influence at all since 2007 and Scotland's issues with heroin go back much further than that. I mean the entire Scottish Parliament was only formed in 1999 and heroin was a problem through the 90's.

But I'm not going to pretend that they couldn't be handling it better . Addicts are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to healthcare spending, in Scotland and everywhere else, that's the sad reality. General public more or less consider it a "self inflicted problem" and plenty of people moan that too much is spent on "junkies" already.

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's kinda gross that the right wing are reducing a serious problem in drug deaths to a tool to bash the opposition with, especially considering that the same people who are pretending to care about these deaths would have treated those addicts with disdain and hostility when they were still alive.

That's one of the biggest issues with the whole thing really. The people who are currently saying "Oh shocking, look at all of the drug deaths" are the same people who would be furious if the SNP started diverting funds from general healthcare/education/roads into addictions services. They'd immediately declare it waste of money and insist that other issues are more deserving. Spending big money on trying to tackle substance abuse isn't popular in the UK... it never has been.

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's one of the biggest issues with the whole thing really. The people who are currently saying "Oh shocking, look at all of the drug deaths" are the same people who would be furious if the SNP started diverting funds from general healthcare/education/roads into addictions services. They'd immediately declare it waste of money and insist that other issues are more deserving. Spending big money on trying to tackle substance abuse isn't popular in the UK... it never has been.

There is also a rise of 3.8 in england and wales, I am perched.

[bots]

if it's an effective opposition that highlights the issue and gets it more funding, it really doesnt matter what the motivation is