[arista]

BBC Reporter
on Politics Live, it was said Labour Party
will lose that Vote

So many Labour MP's
Libs Dems are now going to Vote against the Welfare Bill.

[The Slim Reaper]

If Starmer loses this battle, he will most likely face a leadership challenge. Hopefully lab members don't follow up the KS mistake with the ghoulish Streeting, Kendall, Reeves, or Rayner.

Time for a traditional labour approach.

[Oliver_W]

The entire front bench needs to be swept away tbh.

[joeysteele]

As long as there's no reduction of the MPs looking to take a stand against this bill, then it's unlikely to go ahead to a vote.
Immaterial of what is still being said at present.

The weekend will be the crucial time for really analysing the strength of feeling against it.
I do hope the MPs Iining up against stand firm.
This bill needs an awful lot of more thought and consultation.

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If Starmer loses this battle, he will most likely face a leadership challenge. Hopefully lab members don't follow up the KS mistake with the ghoulish Streeting, Kendall, Reeves, or Rayner.

Time for a traditional labour approach.

Valid Point Slim

[The Slim Reaper]

[Cherie]

They are spending alot of money on support back into work according to Raynor today, but is there any detail at all what this support is that she keeps wanging on about, its sounds great, disabled people will be supported back into work...but how exactly?

[bots]

They know the only way out of the hole we are currently in is to have economic growth, but none of their policies so far will increase growth at all. Cutting benefits doesn't create growth. You can't force people to work that aren't capable of working

[Cherie]

What annoys me so much about this is we have 1,000s of able bodied men who are a statistic in the welfare budget but never mentioned, who could be processed and given the opportunity to work or send them back so they are no longer a drain on the system, but instead lets target disabled people instead of pumping money into processing asylum seekers, the longest asylum process in Europe....mmm wonder why that is...something to do with hoteliers and donors

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What annoys me so much about this is we have 1,000s of able bodied men who are a statistic in the welfare budget but never mentioned, who could be processed and given the opportunity to work or send them back so they are no longer a drain on the system, but instead lets target disabled people instead of pumping money into processing asylum seekers, the longest asylum process in Europe....mmm wonder why that is...something to do with hoteliers and donors

Yes, terrible stink................

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Someone who can not wash below
should lose their PIP payment.

On Tuesday, they will.


That was pointed out early debate on GMBHD itv

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Live Debate on Radio 5



PM Starmer now Live
SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD via separate app

talking about new trade deals

not dealing with Tuesday's vote at all

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PM Starmer now Live
talking to a BBC reporter
Live at the British Chamber of Commerce

Only on BBCnewsHD

[joeysteele]

I just hope the Labour MPs who are currently stating they are against some parts of this bill.
Will keep standing firm on that.
If there really is more than a hundred of them, there's no way the PM via the whips can suspend them all from the Party.
That would look incredibly pathetic.

For me, it's really the PIP changes and the points needed to get it changed that I don't like.
That would be the part I could not support.
I recall Ms Reeves screaming, when she was the shadow DWP secretary in Miliband's time as leader, against the Coalition's cruel changes to the criteria needed to claim DLA as it was then.

However too, there's much I like about this bill.
I like the thinking of helping people into work WHO want to be and more to the point FEEL that can.
I like the removal of the often degrading face to face assessments of those with terminal, and other serious health or disability issues.

I like too, the plan that the benefits claimed that are in place for claimants.
Who then find a workplace and go into work.
That those benefits are kept as held in place, until it's seen if the working environment works for both the worker and organisation they go to work in, is sustainable.
Whereby if it doesn't work out, that individual doesn't need to go through the inconvenience of having to claim those benefits again.
They will be just re-iinstated as they were in place before.

Those changes I could fully support
It's really just the PIP plans I don't like at all.

As this bill stands however as it is, then it shouldn't be voted through.
Although it would not surprise me if the Conservatives actually by even just abstaining maybe helped it pass.
That's IF come Tuesday it actually is put forward in it's full present composition.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They are spending alot of money on support back into work according to Raynor today, but is there any detail at all what this support is that she keeps wanging on about, its sounds great, disabled people will be supported back into work...but how exactly?

Knowing starmer, it will probably be ramps, more ramps.

[arista]

PM Starmer is now changing his Bill
to keep the rebels happy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[joeysteele]

Good to hear.
I'll welcome any so called U turns as long as they are correcting wrongs.
More listening in the first place would have been more advisable.

If the changes are enough then congratulations to the decent numbers fighting for whatever changes are being made to this bill.
To term them rebels is utterly ridiculous.

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