[the_chosen_one]

So as we saw Charley re-enter the house with claims that she's very popular on the outside, which seemed to gain her considerable respect and power in the house for a day or two, what repercussions are you seeing, and how will it effect nominations?

Already, I've noticed Chanelle opting to stand back and studiously observe Charley's behaviour without taking her on and last night we saw a clever trick of Chanelle playing a small part in causing an argument between former friends Charley and Brian, so with the undivided loyalty of Ziggy*, Gerry, Sam, Amanda, Liam and now possibly Brian, could Chanelle be building towards finally taking Charley on in a face to face argument?

Has Charley really given up shouting, like she proved in her disagreement with Brian?

*(I think Ziggy will play Chanelle and Charley off against each other for personal reasons but would always side with Chanelle in group matters, I believe.)

[bananarama]

As far as I could gather it was the now absent Emily that indirectly caused the argument...After 20 seconds I lost track of the whole shindig. One thing it did though was bring out the violent streak in Brian....Kicking the BB house like some out of control loony.......

[the_chosen_one]

So do you think the tense house politics over the last few days is what contributed to Brian's outburst (which the housemates were anticipating hours before his argument with Charley)?

(I can't say I agree with the comment Emily (indirectly) caused the argument. She can't help it if people drop her name into conversations.)

[bananarama]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
So do you think the tense house politics over the last few days is what contributed to Brian's outburst (which the housemates were anticipating hours before his argument with Charley)?

Trying to act a part for 24 hours a day would make anyone unstable.......Brian is certainly unstable for whatever reason....

In the Diary room he is frank Spencer in the house he has intellectual properties about his conversations. The two extreme states of personality do not add up.......Hence he is a fake playing a game.......Nothing wrong in that as long as supporters realise it's an act. It is not Brian......

[the_chosen_one]

I believe the preferred diagnostic label would be a schizotypal personality disorder, where the person shows the characteristics similar to but less severe than schizophrenia.

I don't think it's an out and out act, personally, just a little embellished here and there.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
I believe the preferred diagnostic label would be a schizotypal personality disorder, where the person shows the characteristics similar to but less severe than schizophrenia.

I don't think it's an out and out act, personally, just a little embellished here and there.

Don't they all have that disorder and many more besides......

[Noel]

I thought Brian was a fake ever since the Shakespear thing. He would have learnt about him in school or on the TV. No one is that stupid. I think he is very unstable, but so is everyone else. Charley brought out his darker side, so lets all be grateful.

[gowildcats]

Well I am glad at lest a few people are not blaming that ridiculous argument on Charley. I loke her, but I blame her for carrying on trying to make a point. Some people dont like the fact tht she was defending Emily, but to me, that just illustrated one of her best attributes, is the ability to forgive and forget. And thats pretty much the point she wanted to make, which is that although Emily did a horrible thing, she was still a decent person and that they are friends. She kind of went OTT after Brian started shouting, but I have to give her credit for keeping her voice down.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by gowildcats
Well I am glad at lest a few people are not blaming that ridiculous argument on Charley. I loke her, but I blame her for carrying on trying to make a point. Some people dont like the fact tht she was defending Emily, but to me, that just illustrated one of her best attributes, is the ability to forgive and forget. And thats pretty much the point she wanted to make, which is that although Emily did a horrible thing, she was still a decent person and that they are friends. She kind of went OTT after Brian started shouting, but I have to give her credit for keeping her voice down.

Agreed......Brian went well OTT kicking like a spoilt brat having a tatntrum in a pram....

[the_chosen_one]

I think that person shouting over the fence may have shook things up a bit. I think there's been a bit of paranoia in the house this week about Charley being popular on the outside, but when they heard..

"Get Charley out! and "Ziggy!"

...shouted over the fence, there was a few people's attitude's changed. A few smug faces from Charley's detractors.

[LovelyL]

Most people would react the same when put in that very trying situation with the witch. He handled it very well. Some people would have slapped her or spat in her face. Shes a joke

Go Brian

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by bananarama
One thing it did though was bring out the violent streak in Brian....Kicking the BB house like some out of control loony.......

There's just the slightest tinge of exaggeration in there, isn't there?

[LovelyL]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

There's just the slightest tinge of exaggeration in there, isn't there?

Tell me about it

[rex3]

Brian genuinly didnt want to react becuase he liked Charley before. I just think Charley is really stupid to start a fight with the nicest guy in the house.

Charley's just as stupid as she is argumentative

[the_chosen_one]

I think Charley's exaggerations about her fake eviction aimed at her detractors (to wind them up for putting her up for eviction) have really confused Brian this week, coupled with the politics of Gerry, Ziggy and Chanelle to get eveyone on their side against Charley, Tracey and Nicky, but sooner or later Brian's going to come to his senses and realise he is actually Charley's friend and he had his reasons for liking her, in the first place.

[LovelyL]

No more like he has com to his senses and realised that she dosnt deserve him as a friend and has finally seen her true colours. Hopefully he will nominate her next week to prove it

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
I think Charley's exaggerations about her fake eviction aimed at her detractors (to wind them up for putting her up for eviction) have really confused Brian this week, coupled with the politics of Gerry, Ziggy and Chanelle to get eveyone on their side against Charley, Tracey and Nicky, but sooner or later Brian's going to come to his senses and realise he is actually Charley's friend and he had his reasons for liking her, in the first place.

But although they did all seem to fall for it to some degree, they've become more and more doubtful as the week's progressed. The fact that on three separate occasions (at least) they've heard 'Get Charley out!' chants can't have helped her cause much, either. I've certainly seen Gerry on the campaign trail, but I don't think I've seen Piggy & Chanelle doing the same? I think there's more chance of Brian coming to the conclusion that he dislikes her, rather than likes her.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

There's just the slightest tinge of exaggeration in there, isn't there?

Me exaggerate.!!!! Can't think what you mean.


Ok i'll modify the statement. Not so much out of control loony but instead a loony out of control...Tha't's better. yeah...

[rex3]

Originally posted by bananarama

Me exaggerate.!!!! Can't think what you mean.


Ok i'll modify the statement. Not so much out of control loony but instead a loony out of control...Tha't's better. yeah...

id rather be around brian than any of the other housemates

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
I've certainly seen Gerry on the campaign trail, but I don't think I've seen Piggy & Chanelle doing the same?

They work as a team.

It centres around Chanelle, she's the one with the (Queen of the house complex) real problem with Charley and other rebels, she'll talk to Gerry and Zach in private explaining her issues with other HM's and the two boys simply tow the line. Gerry caters to the sniping comments to the rest of the housemates and spreading nasty rumours, calling people names like "Nicky the snake" or "the 3 witches" and continuosly belittling Charley whatever she does, almost giving a running commentary on her behaviour so he can air his spin on how awful she is. As you say, you've seen him on the campaign trail, it's hard to miss, he's been working overtime this week. Zach caters to the bullying. Anytime anyone wants to say something or state an opinion he's more often than not trying to get himself involved, leading to him shouting them down and not letting them express themselves. Only this week he's done it to Carole when she told him and the twins off, he did it to Nicky in the Party Room and he did it to Charley when she was arguing with Carole about cleaning the table. If someone gets into an argument with him, he simply won't let them have their say, and it invariably ends up with him insulting them or him claiming they've got issues so that they're afraid to even voice an opinion in future. He has similar tactics to Charley in an argument, but isn't as adept and rarely has a good point to make, which is probably why he can't take her on alone.

Brian's seen Charley's act after fake week and become confused, but the way Gerry has taken Brian to one side and explained how evil Charley is (or so he likes to make out), Brian didn't really stand a chance of making up his own mind, in my opinion. In time, I think he'll realise his mistake.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by rex3

id rather be around brian than any of the other housemates

Each to his own poison...

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
They work as a team.

It centres around Chanelle, she's the one with the (Queen of the house complex) real problem with Charley and other rebels, she'll talk to Gerry and Zach in private explaining her issues with other HM's and the two boys simply tow the line. Gerry caters to the sniping comments to the rest of the housemates and spreading nasty rumours, calling people names like "Nicky the snake" or "the 3 witches" and continuosly belittling Charley whatever she does, almost giving a running commentary on her behaviour so he can air his spin on how awful she is. As you say, you've seen him on the campaign trail, it's hard to miss, he's been working overtime this week. Zach caters to the bullying. Anytime anyone wants to say something or state an opinion he's more often than not trying to get himself involved, leading to him shouting them down and not letting them express themselves. Only this week he's done it to Carole when she told him and the twins off, he did it to Nicky in the Party Room and he did it to Charley when she was arguing with Carole about cleaning the table. If someone gets into an argument with him, he simply won't let them have their say, and it invariably ends up with him insulting them or him claiming they've got issues so that they're afraid to even voice an opinion in future. He has similar tactics to Charley in an argument, but isn't as adept and rarely has a good point to make, which is probably why he can't take her on alone.

Brian's seen Charley's act after fake week and become confused, but the way Gerry has taken Brian to one side and explained how evil Charley is (or so he likes to make out), Brian didn't really stand a chance of making up his own mind, in my opinion. In time, I think he'll realise his mistake.

I really don't see Chanelle as part of any 'team', and I don't see her as being particularly influential either, especially not as far as Piggy's concerned. Obviously she doesn't like certain people and discusses the fact at great length. But it's almost always Charley she has problems with, and Piggy can't decide whether he likes or hates Charley from one moment to the next. He seems far more concerned when Charley is arguing with Gerry than he ever is when she's having a go at Chanelle. I think if there were any team involving Gerry & Piggy, then the third member would be Carole, if anyone. I'm not convinced that Gerry is defending Chanelle, either. I think he sees her as some tragic heroine substitute to fawn over, so it suits his purposes for her to be as miserable as possible. When it comes to his issues with Charley, Tracey and (until Friday) Nicky, I think the only problem he has is control of the house. He wants to be 'daddy', and the fact that they're far too strong for him annoys him immensely. That also explains why he's had hardly any interaction with the twins - because he simply doesn't need to. And also why even though he constantly patronises Brian, he's never called him to task for being equally as dismissive of him as Charley tends to be. He's well aware that an argument with Brian would always result in his halo slipping, and the other hm’s siding with Brian rather than him.

I think Piggy was actually in the right for once during the argument with Carole. And if he hadn’t done that, we probably never would’ve seen the twins stand up to her themselves later on. He was totally out of order with Nicky in the party room, though. I’m not even sure who he was trying to impress at that point – the twins, or Gerry. I must’ve missed the one with Carole & Charley. I doubt we’ll ever see him arguing with a man though.

I think Brian would’ve been confused as far as Charley is concerned whether fake week had happened or not.

[the_chosen_one]

First off, I must disagree that Zach was in the right, arguing with Carole. She specifically told them to stay away from the clean washing and avoid dirtying the house, but they ignored her warning and went ahead with their games. Sure, it was nice to see the twins standing up for themselves and the argument was two sided, but the way Zach shouted Carole down and swore at her was just another example of his obnoxious attitude and ungratefulness. Carole’s stuck up for him and been his confidant throughout the show (she only sticks up for boys, really) and it sickens me every time I see him using her as his proverbial punch bag, especially when she has a very good point to make. Like you say, we never see him standing up to men, or women that ‘have his number’ (e.g. Charley, Tracey) and who else does he dare swear at? As for him not being influenced by Chanelle, it’s a complicated situation, I believe she allows him to manipulate her for the good of the ‘relationship’ and just subtly points him in the right direction when necessary, which in itself is a form of inverted manipulation. Sort of like riding a donkey.

Chanelle’s primary confidant, I think we’d agree, is Gerry, not Zach as many may assume. He’s the one who talks at length with her, listening to her issues with people and taking on board her points of view. When did Gerry turn on Nicky? When Chanelle heard Nicky’s bitchy comments over the sound system? Chanelle took Gerry to the side at that point and had a thorough discussion about Nicky, how she couldn’t be trusted and was, essentially, no use to them, which ‘inspired’ Gerry to embark on his campaign against Nicky for the following weeks. It was a mutual discussion, not just Chanelle being totalitarian, but one which revolved mainly around Chanelle’s wishes and best interests. Gerry’s agenda appears to be stick as close to “Chiggy” as possible to see how far that gets him. I really don’t think he sees himself as winning material, which I’d agree with, but he does want to create a good impression by sticking to the people he thinks are popular and have ‘the interest factor’, whilst creating hostility with those he assumes are unpopular (Charley, Tracey and Nicky whilst she was there). As you point out, why doesn’t he confront Brian when there’s clearly hostility between them?

My main gripe with Chanelle is the way she stays out of incidents which concern the housemates bonding and having fun. Whenever there’s a loud, playful, boisterous scene involving most of the housemates (even Carole), Chanelle’s sat somewhere sulking or pouting, as if it’s beneath her, even when encouraged by her friends to join in. She really seems to have a complex about being the ‘Queen Bee’, there’s no compromise, if she isn’t getting her way, she’ll no doubt be calculating how to swing things back in her favour (maybe an argument with Zach, maybe a tantrum, maybe try pushing Charley’s buttons) and as long as Zach and Gerry are by her side to ‘run the flanks’, as it stands, she knows how to get her way.

EDIT23/7 - 20:34) Example of their teamwork.