[Z]

Would you like to see a new voting system? The current system is based purely on public voting - but even that is very misleading because people vote multiple times to ensure their favourite stays in. All of which is fine for Simon Cowell's mortgage payments, but it means we have to put up with rubbish like Andy for weeks.

Personally I think it should be more like the Strictly Come Dancing voting system, whereby you have judges ranking added onto the public vote. Obviously the judges would put their acts through first, but the other three judges might be united against one particular act etc.

Have you got any other suggestions?

[Loukas]

i think there should have the same system as SCD becuase i think that would make so much more sence and have a clearer idea of when the acts stand with the judges

[Magic]

I say go for a new, fairer system.

Just look how long Chico was in for

[GiRTh]

I don't like phone votes; I think they're totally unreliable. I do think the X-Factor voting needs to changed so that it's biased toward the better acts. I also dont like the fact that the judges have a person stake in acts going through. It leads to biased voting like Hope staying in last week when Beverley clearly out sung them and has been more consistant over the weeks.

[xDramatick]

I think it should be more like Fame Academy.

Public drop it down to bottom three.
Contestants save one act.
then Judges choose out of the bottom two who to save.

[Z]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I don't like phone votes; I think they're totally unreliable. I do think the X-Factor voting needs to changed so that it's biased toward the better acts. I also dont like the fact that the judges have a person stake in acts going through. It leads to biased voting like Hope staying in last week when Beverley clearly out sung them and has been more consistant over the weeks.

(I'm not ignoring anyone else who's posted!)

Yes, they are unreliable. I think however, they can't be scrapped or revamped. Something else needs to be added to them. Whether that's the judges having to rank the acts that they don't mentor, or something else, doesn't matter, just as long as we don't see people like Kimberley going in week 1 when she could have lasted far longer, or acts like Emily or Daniel getting through in the first place - boring and little talent.

I'd disagree with the point about Hope, I don't think it was biased at all, I think Sharon did the most impartial thing she could have done - she said she would be impartial. But then, if you were aware, each week, of who had the least number of votes, then any time the act with the least number of votes went through, it would be unfair. Beverley had the least votes and went out, it was the right commercial decision, if not based on singing ability - which is what the X Factor should be more about.

[BigSister]

I dont really like the judges vote but i think it should be merged in with the public vote something like SCD but not out of 10 im not really sure what it could be but i agree it needs to change

[Tom]

If they did that then they would have to change the whole format because judges will mark their acts up and mark down others

[XxShortyxX]

I think it should defo be like SCD voting thingy.

[Z]

Originally posted by Tom_
If they did that then they would have to change the whole format because judges will mark their acts up and mark down others

Yeah, but I already said that the judges wouldn't be allowed to rank their own acts and by this method, it means they're only judging the other acts based on their performance.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Z

Yeah, but I already said that the judges wouldn't be allowed to rank their own acts and by this method, it means they're only judging the other acts based on their performance.

Sorry I'm not with it tonight

Yeah I agree with your idea

[Arneldo]

I don't like the idea of judges rating the acts and giving them a score. In a show like SCD there is a set routines where you either get it right or wrong, while XF its more about taste. It wouldn't be fair.

I do think do they should extend the voting. Instead of having voting open for hour or so, leave it open and have the results show the next day.

[Dan_]

I preferred what they did on pop idol when the public had more choice over who made it to the finals.There's too much judges say-so for my liking.

[Red Moon]

I would go for a simple vote out your least favorite act of the night system. A bit like Big Brother.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Red Moon
I would go for a simple vote out your least favorite act of the night system. A bit like Big Brother.

I really don't think that would work to be honest.Music tastes are so diverse and that would mean people just getting voted off because they don't like a certain style of music and you just know people would vote against the one's who's personality that they don't like.

There's quite a lot of people who have a go at the way certain members are, so they would have ended up going fairly early on.Would you have been happy with that?

It should be about finding the act the public likes the most.You'd end up without someone in the final who would have most likely won the whole thing.

[Z]

Dan, the point I was originally making was that, for the most part, the public's favourite acts go through to the final. But there are cases where people don't vote because they think someone else is, or people are voting several times for an act to keep them in - people on here are saying that Beverley should have stayed over Hope, I bet the Hope only stayed in because of the two reasons above. I love Hope, but even I don't think they deserved to stay. In a similar way, it's why Leon and Same Difference have yet to be in the bottom two because they're certainly not better than Beverley in terms of talent, it's because people are voting for them, and I'd imagine the people who vote for them are voting more than once in a night.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Z
Dan, the point I was originally making was that, for the most part, the public's favourite acts go through to the final. But there are cases where people don't vote because they think someone else is, or people are voting several times for an act to keep them in - people on here are saying that Beverley should have stayed over Hope, I bet the Hope only stayed in because of the two reasons above. I love Hope, but even I don't think they deserved to stay. In a similar way, it's why Leon and Same Difference have yet to be in the bottom two because they're certainly not better than Beverley in terms of talent, it's because people are voting for them, and I'd imagine the people who vote for them are voting more than once in a night.

That's always the trouble with allowing multiple voting, some will be fully prepared to just use up a lot of money on voting for a certain act.

I really cannot see it changing because money talks and it's all too easy for them to just stick with the system that's making them more profit.

If it went towards a scoring system, it may even entice people to vote all the more if their favourite is lower down in the table.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dan_

I really don't think that would work to be honest.Music tastes are so diverse and that would mean people just getting voted off because they don't like a certain style of music and you just know people would vote against the one's who's personality that they don't like.

There's quite a lot of people who have a go at the way certain members are, so they would have ended up going fairly early on.Would you have been happy with that?

It should be about finding the act the public likes the most.You'd end up without someone in the final who would have most likely won the whole thing.

Surely any voting out system would get rid of worse acts and not the acts good since people would be voting for worse act each week. If a band goes it would because they were unpopular for with the audience that week.

Lets look at who would have faced the judges in the polls from the site based on worse performance:

Week 1 - Leon against (Emily or Daniel)
Week 2 - Daniel against Emily
Week 3 - Andy against Leon
Week 4 - Andy against (Leon or Niki)
Week 5 - Hope against Same Differance
Week 6 - Hope against (Leon and Beverly)

It is not the good people that appear in the list just the bad ones. Notice how Leon is the list so many times and yet he is still in the show. He was rubbish to start with but because he has the whole of Scotland backing him he is still there. That wouldn't have happened if we were voting out the acts rather than voting to keep them in.

I can see how some people would think that a voting out system would make it easier to get rid of a singer like Rhydian but that isn't the case. He has hardly had a bad performance expect on Disco night.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Red Moon

Surely any voting out system would get rid of worse acts and not the acts good since people would be voting for worse act each week. If a band goes it would because they were unpopular for with the audience that week.

Lets look at who would have faced the judges in the polls from the site based on worse performance:

Week 1 - Leon against (Emily or Daniel)
Week 2 - Daniel against Emily
Week 3 - Andy against Leon
Week 4 - Andy against (Leon or Niki)
Week 5 - Hope against Same Differance
Week 6 - Hope against (Leon and Beverly)

It is not the good people that appear in the list just the bad ones. Notice how Leon is the list so many times and yet he is still in the show. He was rubbish to start with but because he has the whole of Scotland backing him he is still there. That wouldn't have happened if we were voting out the acts rather than voting to keep them in.

I can see how some people would think that a voting out system would make it easier to get rid of a singer like Rhydian but that isn't the case. He has hardly had a bad performance expect on Disco night.

Well that's just from this site, perhaps not representative of the whole voting public.Leon could very well make the final and is obviously one of the most popular acts this year, perhaps he would have gone with a vote to go.Is this really productive towards finding someone who will sell records? People may well not like a certain act but it doesn't really matter about how many don't like an act, it's about how many people like a certain act, enough to vote for them and then go on a buy their records.

There's probably plenty of successful acts in the chart that loads of people hate and if they would have been on X-Factor, they would be go under that system.

People really didn't like Rhydian at the beginning based upon how they perceived him to be from the auditions and I truly believe he would have been danger because of it.He may not have had a bad performance but some just hate opera and wont ever like his style and some just disliked him as a person.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dan_

Well that's just from this site, perhaps not representative of the whole voting public.Leon could very well make the final and is obviously one of the most popular acts this year, perhaps he would have gone with a vote to go.Is this really productive towards finding someone who will sell records? People may well not like a certain act but it doesn't really matter about how many don't like an act, it's about how many people like a certain act, enough to vote for them and then go on a buy their records.

There's probably plenty of successful acts in the chart that loads of people hate and if they would have been on X-Factor, they would be go under that system.

People really didn't like Rhydian at the beginning based upon how they perceived him to be from the auditions and I truly believe he would have been danger because of it.He may not have had a bad performance but some just hate opera and wont ever like his style and some just disliked him as a person.

It the best sample we have on the site but I agree it's not statistically significant sample of the British public.

We all know Leon was one of the worse acts on the opening night and should have gone early during the show but the voting system has kept him in. Yes he is popular but probably regionally and not nationally. Now given we know he was rubbish to start with was he worth keeping in the show. Yes he has got better but we will never know how much better the acts that got voted off could have got. They could at this stage be miles better than him.

Why popularity matters is that the person that gets to number one in the charts needs to sell as many records as possible in order to do this they have to be popular. Voting off the unpopular ones because of their bad performances means by default you end up with the good and popular acts.

However with the current system good acts are getting voted out before bad ones and that doesn't make logical sense.

I really don't Rhydian had a problem as soon as he opened his mouth on the first show. I might dislike classically trained voices but I would vote him out. He wasn't the worse act on the show. I would have given him a chance to do what he said and prove he could sing different types of music.