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Benjamin · 31-03-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

You just answered your own question. The officer was racist.

Kizzy · 31-03-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle

You just answered your own question. The officer was racist.

I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

Brother Leon · 31-03-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

Yes it was necessary.

If a police officer spoke to me or even you like that, you would definitely want extreme action to be taken.

Open your mind.

Mrluvaluva · 31-03-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I am aware of that, however as usual it is the force as a whole that is criticised...That i don't understand.
He resisted arrest, and was restrained. clearly there was an altercation between himself and the officer prior to him recording the conversation.
It was an unforgivable racial slur, but to escalate it to national media attention and through the courts was not required.
It could have been managed internally.

To be fair, if they had managed this internally, and the press would have got hold of the story, they would have had a field day with it and accused the police of a cover up, and then things could have been much worse. It is in both the publics interest and the police forces that such matters are handled by the IPCC.

Nobody should be called a ******. Nobody should be called a n****r. Nobody should be told "“You’ll always have black skin. Don’t hide behind your colour.”

These men are in a position of trust with the public, and are representatives for the British police force, and they should act accordingly. If they cannot, then they should not be allowed to hold such a position. It is because of a minority of idiots that some of the public lack confidence in the force, and such ignorance and intolerance should be stamped out.

Lee. · 31-03-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

It wasn't just a racist comment though... it was also bullying, assault and harassment. And whether it was just one officer or 10, it doesn't make it ok, it is in fact disgusting in this day and age!

SoBig · 01-04-2012, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

Kizzy · 01-04-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

I hope you are not accusing me there?...

Ithinkiloveyoutoo · 01-04-2012, 05:02 PM

btw just in case anybody read my last posts in this thread (no lol) i wasn't trying to justify or find excuses for racism-of course not.

what i was trying to say was, on a wider scale of things there will always be racists out there, but many things happening in the society around the different cultures causes racists to finally act upon their racism ie the woman in the bus.

even if you go all the way back 1909, the lynching of will james in cairo illinois. will was apparently a criminal who was set to face legal justice but a mob of thousands white men just couldnt wait, they broke into his prison, grabbed him to be lynched in front of 10, 000 "spectators" in the centre of that town, like a circus act. the rope broke so they shot him 100 times, then cut his head off and put it on a pole......

many of those happened around those times, then the photos of the lynched bodies sold as postcards. the worst seems to be lynching of jesse washington. google if you want

a woman at the lynching explained that they had tolerated the rising number of blacks for long enough, along with their behaviors-that is why the lynching of will james had been "salutary"

some reasons for acts of racism are similar to what it was back then

i expect things to get worst and worst but hopefully i'm wrong otherwise i aint having no kids

Redway · 01-04-2012, 10:07 PM

Are you being serious ir just taking the piss? Genuine question. You know fully well that's extremely racist. You don't need someone pointing that out to you. You KNOW you don't.

SoBig · 02-04-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

I hope you are not accusing me there?...

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

Me. I Am Salman · 31-03-2012, 01:17 PM

But he physically and verbally harassed him!!!! It's all there he didn't just say the N word!!!

Ithinkiloveyoutoo · 01-04-2012, 01:40 AM

coincidence I was reading on lynching of blacks in the past, such as will brown (1919). I'm sure some racists deep down wish they still had the right to do it.

I also wish black people would stop using "*****" in hip hop now because literally every race is saying this now and some black people have a problem with them saying it, even though it's claimed that "*****" is different the one ending in "er"

If we want a difference it would be nice if we could start by banning that word all together and not making it ok.

arista · 31-03-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...lack-man-abuse

Yes they need to Sack that officer.

It is wrong.

I watched it on SkyNewsHD

Jack_ · 31-03-2012, 01:27 PM

Absolutely disgusting. Officers like this give police a bad name. He was racist, insulting and by the sounds of it unnecessarily violent.

I found it unbelievable how anyone can say otherwise, it's on display for all in the clip. I'm speechless at how anyone can defend such scum.

Lee. · 31-03-2012, 01:29 PM

Oh Jack! Your sig!

Jack_ · 31-03-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee.

Oh Jack! Your sig!

Honestly, I think it's the best quote I've ever put in my sig. And one of the best typos I've ever seen.

Ammi · 31-03-2012, 01:42 PM

..I don't think blatant racism should ever be managed internally..how can racism ever be combatted if it is managed internally...these are people who the public look up to...to do the right thing

Kizzy · 31-03-2012, 02:04 PM

I understand to a point, its just a shame that one comment can wreck a career and the reputation of the whole service.

Ammi · 31-03-2012, 02:13 PM

..It's the way it is though..and the way it should be..racism should always be exposed...if it was the other way round..and the officer was black..and was abused for his colour..that would be wrong too..this is no different..this guy's colour has nothing to do with the offence he committed and that conversation should never have taken place..but it did..and the officer acted disgracefully....I don't know if racism is rife in the police force...or if this is more of an isolated incident..but whenever it is found it must be exposed

..and that one comment is all important..he has wiped out his career himself..with that one comment..but that's a good thing..he was exposed for what he is

Kizzy · 31-03-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..It's the way it is though..and the way it should be..racism should always be exposed...if it was the other way round..and the officer was black..and was abused for his colour..that would be wrong too..this is no different..this guy's colour has nothing to do with the offence he committed and that conversation should never have taken place..but it did..and the officer acted disgracefully....I don't know if racism is rife in the police force...or if this is more of an isolated incident..but whenever it is found it must be exposed

..and that one comment is all important..he has wiped out his career himself..with that one comment..but that's a good thing..he was exposed for what he is

You can't write someone off after hearing less than two mins of a conversation ammi.
What we hear are excerps...And from what we hear he does appear as a racist, i would really like to have heard the whole of the convo to get a better perspective.

Ammi · 31-03-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

You can't write someone off after hearing less than two mins of a conversation ammi.
What we hear are excerps...And from what we hear he does appear as a racist, i would really like to have heard the whole of the convo to get a better perspective.

..not always you can't no...but in this case I think you can...because he did refer to his colour..in an extremely derogatory way..and the rest of the conversation is irrelevant imo..even if the whole conversation was heard..he still would have made those remarks..only wrapped inside more words..the police force are there as an example..a good and positive one..and probably most of them are..but not this guy..and imo is indefensable

fruit_cake · 31-03-2012, 02:38 PM

It seems to me that the police should not be treating people like that, but the victim doesn't sound like a very nice person to me either so I won't loose any sleep worrying about his struggle.

Tom4784 · 31-03-2012, 02:44 PM

No shadow of a doubt that it's completely wrong, there's no defending this. Officers should be above this sort of thing and if they can't do that they shouldn't be in a position of power since all they are doing is damaging the police's image and making honest and lawful Officer's jobs harder.