[arista]

Yes a Waste of 8 weeks.

Eu Elections next Thursday 23rd
but the results not until late Sunday Night 26th
New Conservative Leader June -July - August
then
Possible getting out of the EU

[Sticks]

We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a deal

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We're Leaving without a deal
We're Leaving without a deal
Ee I Adio
We're Leaving without a deal

What Date?

[Sticks]

31 October

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

31 October

Thats Horror Night

[arista]

Well Done Lady
telling off the SNP.

[arista]

https://order-order.com/2019/05/18/m...uro-elections/

Typical BBC

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes a Waste of 8 weeks.

Eu Elections next Thursday 23rd
but the results not until late Sunday Night 26th
New Conservative Leader June -July - August
then
Possible getting out of the EU

2 ref and staying in

[arista]

One Front Page
for Sticks.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

One Front Page
for Sticks.

The thing is.
The present parliamentary arithmetic will not allow no deal.
MPs will demand a vote on probably either a no deal or now revoking article 50.

No way will this set of MPs support leaving with no deal.
The alternative to not Mrs Mays/ EU deal.
Are then, No Deal, or Revoke Article 50.

A new election with a resurgent Farage with his Party, will make the parliamentary arithmetic harder for no deal.

As Labour would likely be the largest party, who with the SNP and Lib Dems.
No deal would be well and truly out of even consideration then, never mind any possibility.

Maybe a new deal could be struck with the EU.
If not, then the only other choice is a new vote on the way forward or revoking article 50.

I cannot see a general election coming, unless the Conservative starts to split worse than now.
So as it stands.
I cannot see No Deal at all.

I hope we get a welcome lift in who wins the Conservative leadership election.
Like on Marr yesterday.
Rory Stewart for instance.
He says the gap between the Conservative government and Labour is barely half an inch.

Someone of his calibre, I think could move things forward by consensus and likely quickly too.
If I was Conservative, I'd want Rory Stewart as leader.
I think he could turn things all around for the better.

That would be good for not only the Conservatives but for UK politics too.
Hopefully too to start to heal the awful acidic divisions left that has been generated from that EU referendum, among many voters.

[bots]

i've been saying for a while that the only viable options are no deal or revoke. If mp's wanted to leave the eu with a deal, they would already have done so. It's all been a huge exercise in obfuscation. Those brexeteers voting the deal down know that no deal then becomes the only option, they are not stupid.

These cross party talks have had one purpose, to run the clock down .... the government are already saying there isn't now sufficient time to have a ref and get the required legislation through parliament. I didn't want to leave the EU, but the whole thing has been the biggest con job in history. There was never going to be a deal

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've been saying for a while that the only viable options are no deal or revoke. If mp's wanted to leave the eu with a deal, they would already have done so. It's all been a huge exercise in obfuscation. Those brexeteers voting the deal down know that no deal then becomes the only option, they are not stupid.

These cross party talks have had one purpose, to run the clock down .... the government are already saying there isn't now sufficient time to have a ref and get the required legislation through parliament. I didn't want to leave the EU, but the whole thing has been the biggest con job in history. There was never going to be a deal

You have posted really interesting posts on this.

Can you however really see no deal being permitted by this Parliament.
The call will surely be from a majority of MPs, to hold a vote on no deal or revoke.
No deal has been thrown out in votes before.

Are the Conservatives who hate the thought of no deal, going to hand it on a plate to the ERG of their own Party.
Will the DUP even.

I think not.
I really don't see a general election changing things much at all.
Maybe get a handful of Brexit party MPs but a hung Parliament still.
A new referendum pointless in my view.

If a new referendum were to ask remain, or leave with no deal only, you'd get a clear decision.
MPs wanting a new referendum not wanting one without remain on the paper however.

If it asked.
This deal, no deal or remain.
You'd likely get no clear majority for one of those options.
Maybe around 40% no deal.
Around 40% remain.
The rest voting for this deal.

The EU would I think anyway, extend the deadline date to hold a new referendum.
They'd welcome too revoking article 50.

I just cannot see MPs supporting or allowing a no deal scenario.
Any side of any general election.

A long way to go.
I also think Boris Johnson, were he elected leader.
He'd either do a turncoat act ,once he got the job, and cave in more to the more against no deal voices.
Or really stick to his stance now and damage the Conservative party and split it really badly.

I think any other brexit supporting MP would lead to the likely split of the Conservatives too.
Unless they were to rule out no deal too.

Thereby still ending a no deal scenario.

[bots]

The longer it goes on, the more likely article 50 will be revoked. I can't call how it's going to end up, who can .... but whatever, i am disgusted by the deceit shown by all party's in parliament.

[The Slim Reaper]

We're leaving without a deal, the language in the press/from tories has been changing on this over the last few weeks. I actually think no deal is the most likely scenario. The fear of not giving the troglodytes what they want holds more fear than ruining the economy for years.

[James]

No deal wouldn't be politically sustainable even if it happened by default - with most of the MPs being against it.

The only way that would change is if there was a general election, and a lot more Leave supporting MPs were elected, and that seems to me unlikely.

[arista]

PM Theresa May will reveal details of her "new deal" on Brexit in a speech
Around 4PM today


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...deal-live-news

[arista]

PM Live Now all media


https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...peech-11725510



New Brexit Deal - she just said

[arista]

Update: 5:36PM
Nigel Evans just said Live on SkyNewsHD he will not vote on this New Brexit Deal - he just wants a new leader.
5:46PM Labour Leader said No He Will Not Support it.

And

And

[arista]

[Cherie]

These are very unfortunate photos of May, maybe if the Press took her seriously rather than trying to send her up all the time and make her even more of a laughing stock

[arista]

A woman using a Phone and speaker/mic
destroys a interview.

[joeysteele]

If Theresa May's premiership had been a fiction based soap.
The belief would have likely been it was unbelievably far fetched and near impossible for such failure and incompetence to happen.

She as PM, has proven again the saying, truth is stranger than fiction.

Any other PM, instead of clinging on so desperately for personal reasons, would have cleared off.

She doesn't have to stay in the job, she shouldn't stay in the job, in fact in my view, she should never have had the job.

This circus she has created as to her premiership, really needs to have the big top brought down on it.

They got Margaret Thatcher out in around 2 weeks.
Someone who was a strong leader with strong conviction to her aims.
Who'd won 3 elections handsomely.

This waste of space was never PM material.
This farce of rearranging this and that with no solid changes, is pathetic and just more of her deceit.

Just go, for goodness sake.
Already I'm personally sure history will record May as the worst PM the UK has had.
Piling more failure on, as she is doing, will only ensure that even more.

I've never liked her I know and long before she was PM.
However when my Conservative diehard supporter friends keep saying, they can't believe a word she says, I realise the problem easily that she has become, to any real moves forward on brexit or in fact anything else.

[bots]

TM was given the job by default. She called an election that anyone half competent would have won by a landslide at the time. She showed at that point she wasn't fit for the job, the conservative party should have removed her as leader there and then. Tories can moan and groan all they like about her now, but they had the power to remove her after the election and chose not to, because no-one wanted the job ... they are responsible, not her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

farcical

all she is doing is trying bit by bit to change - yes we are leaving to no we are not, to persuade a house that is remain