[Rob!]

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.

Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by arista

Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.

Oh I accept it. 17 million odd people voted differently to me after all. I just don't think the majority of them really knew what they were voting for.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Nothing Wrong with that view.
But You lost the democratic vote
there is far to many
who refuse to accept it.

...there is no choice but to accept it, Arista..but accepting it doesn't mean there still won't be frustrations in it...and of all people, Brexit voters should be very understanding of that because the main premise for many Brexit voters was their own frustrations in decisions being made for them by EU that they didn't agree with so we're told..well 48% of UK people are feeling those frustrations atm that Brexiters are apparently all too familiar with...

[bots]

when the Conservatives win an election, it doesn't mean that all the labour supporters should then support the tories, and vice versa. The same applies with the brexit vote.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Oh I accept it. 17 million odd people voted differently to me after all. I just don't think the majority of them really knew what they were voting for.

People say that after Elections.

People went out to vote
more than a Election on this.
It meant more to us
that voted "leave the EU"

I was shocked to see others
in front of me at 7AM to Vote on Brexit
that never happens on Elections

Referendum
it was a rare event for the UK

[Withano]

Brexit causes an increase in price for common household producys and tesco refuses to stock them

https://www.ft.com/content/58560c1e-...8-d3778b55a923

Pretty big news

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Brexit causes an increase in price for common household producys and tesco refuses to stock them

https://www.ft.com/content/58560c1e-...8-d3778b55a923

Pretty big news

If nothing else, it will encourage us to buy British.....oh hang on, Marmite is British made.
Funny how when there have been big price dips for these big companies they never thought to pass it on to the consumers.
Boycott Unilever I say.

[Kizzy]

Siobhan Fenton
@SiobhanFenton
Court now discussing which rights currently available to British citizens will be lost after Brexit
3:48 PM - 17 Oct 2016


Siobhan Fenton
@SiobhanFenton
Lord Chief Justice asks government lawyer, what if we say the Crown cannot trigger Article 50? Where does that leave us?
4:35 PM - 17 Oct 2016


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7365101.html

[Kizzy]

A lawyer representing the UK Government has said it is "very likely" MPs will be able to vote on the final Brexit agreement between the UK and the European Union.

James Eadie QC was speaking in the High Court as part of the final day of the hearing to decide whether Prime Minister Theresa May can trigger Article 50 without parliamentary approval.

Downing Street has since confirmed that he was representing the Government's position.

The judges have said they will rule on the historic legal challenge "as quickly as possible".

Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, Master of the Rolls Sir Terence Etherton and Lord Justice Sales reserved their decision on Tuesday at the end of a three-day hearing.

After hearing closing submissions from lawyers at the High Court in London, Lord Thomas announced: "We shall take time to consider the matter and give our judgment as quickly as possible."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7367126.html

[arista]

Maybe Kizzy
but after we Start the the 2 year countdown

[Kizzy]

It may all be over?....

Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.

Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.

The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.

One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.

And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7368561.html

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It may all be over?....

Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.

Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.

The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.

One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.

And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7368561.html

Its a tricky situation, what is technically best for the country in the long run would cause chaos and riots in the short run. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its a tricky situation, what is technically best for the country in the long run would cause chaos and riots in the short run. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

I honestly think there would be a collective sigh of relief... bregret is a thing.

[Tom4784]

It would be hilarious if it happened. I'd live for the fumes.

[bots]

The upshot of it is .... i think ... because well .... i don't think anyone knows for sure, parliament will get a vote, but the result of that vote doesn't really matter as we will have already exited (or at least begun the irreversible process of exit)

It is an almighty mess, it has to be said, but its right that we clarify exactly what a referendum can and can't do legally within the constitution. If it has no standing, why would people bother voting ... its all a bit of a nonsense.

[Northern Monkey]

I mean they can vote on what they like but it doesn't make a difference because we'll only get whatever we end up with from the negotiations.Seems pretty pointless tbh.

[Kizzy]

Hmmmm....

Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.

A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.

Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-about-brexit

[Kizzy]

And again nobody was surprised ...

The Chancellor will face an Ł84 billion black hole in the country’s finances at the Autumn Statement unless he announces a sweeping “fiscal reset” and ditches George Osborne’s old economic rules, economists have warned.

An analysis by the Resolution Foundation think-tank found that changes in the economic outlook since the EU referendum mean a significant “deterioration in the public finances”.

The advice from the researchers comes a day after leaked Treasury documents suggested Philip Hammond would have to fill a multi-billion pound black hole because of the “severe worsening of public finances” caused by Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7380081.html

[Kizzy]

eh?.....

Brussels will be able to dictate what the British government can and cannot tell the British Parliament about Brexit negotiations, the Government has claimed.

EU minister David Jones told the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee that he could not say how much information MPs would be given about the talks until the European Council had laid down its rules about secrecy.

The claim comes after Theresa May and Brexit Secretary Davis Davis both said there would be a limit to how much they would tell the UK Parliament about negotiations.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7381806.html

[_Tom_]

Brexit's fault.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Brexit's fault.

Another knife in the back of the remoaners debunking their doom and gloom theories.

[Kizzy]

Um that proves nothing, we haven't left yet :/


#perspective



http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...nt-debt-to-gdp

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Another knife in the back of the remoaners debunking their doom and gloom theories.

there is a significant lag before effects are felt, in some cases that could be months or even years. So whether its good or bad for the economy ultimately ... no-one will be able to say.

We are going to be out ... so thats the way our economy is, we don't have an alternative parallel economy. So ... the upshot is .... i wont believe a word good or bad associated with the economy and brexit.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am for being in the EU, as are all my family too.

I believe we are there and need to be there as a full member,All govts; have signed treaties and that is the fact, they are signed.
We just should get on with it now and do all we can to reform the EU from the inside,since outside we would have no influence.

This govt; put in place legislation that if any new treaty comes forward from now, then the voters will be asked in a referendum if the govt; should sign such treaty.

I support Labours plan which is exactly that legislation I posted above but in addition, they have said if a treaty came forward that now involved any transference of legislative power from the UK to the EU then that would trigger from them an in/out referendum.

I have never seen the point of Cameron saying this needed to be settled but waiting 2 and a half years until the election to even start any re-negotiations, and then take another 2+ years to do that and hold a referendum by the end of the 3rd year of his govt;
All conditional on 'if' he got an overall majority

I think it would be an economic disaster and also a status disaster for the UK to leave the EU and to have cofusion and uncertainty running for nearly 5 years from this PM is plain ridiculous.
So I would never in fact support leaving the EU and clearly would never vote in a referendum to do so.

That to me would be dangerous politics and dangerous for the UK as a whole too.
I also believe the voters would never be able to get an informed debate or relevant information from the media we have, as to the EU, in order to make a fully clear minded and balanced decision as to the EU.

Any new tranfers of powers would be a possible step too far now and in those circumstances,I would agree a referendum could be held.
I would still myself vote to stay in however.

Now that we know the will of the UK people voted to leave the EU what are you and your families view on this result? Do you and your family support democracy or not?