[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

"A TV director reported Savile
to BBC bosses decades ago - when he caught
the star having sex with a 15 or 16-year-old girl in his dressing room"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz29ZL74WvF


The Fecking BBC are Guilty

A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference.

[arista]

"A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference."

Yes , but there are so many younger than that.
Even a 9 year old boy.

The Public Fund the BBC
for them to cover this up is Criminal

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

"A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference."

Yes , but there are so many younger than that.
Even a 9 year old boy.

The Public Fund the BBC
for them to cover this up is Criminal

I still want to know why they all stayed quiet till he died, bearing in mind other famous people had been exposed and prosecuted as paedophiles.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

I still want to know why they all stayed quiet till he died, bearing in mind other famous people had been exposed and prosecuted as paedophiles.

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom .....

Don't bother... It has been adressed many times in the media that there were many complaints to various police forces in the past.
The papers were poised to expose and were overridden at the last minute, some can be given fact after fact and still refuse to see what is under their nose, why is anyones guess.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom .....

Then presumably there will be some evidence for a proper inquiry and the hysterical trial by tabloids can take a back seat.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Then presumably there will be some evidence for a proper inquiry and the hysterical trial by tabloids can take a back seat.

AFAIK, there are now at least FOUR inquiries - the Met-led police inquiry, two at the BBC and now the NHS inquiry .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19980979

The Department of Health is to appoint a former barrister to oversee its investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile, the prime minister's spokesman said.

He said Kate Lampard would "ensure rigour and consistency" in probes at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Leeds General Infirmary, Broadmoor and inside the Department of Health.

Good

[CharlieO]

can this just all go away

[Omah]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

can this just all go away

It's here to stay for at least the next few months .....

[Kizzy]

But anyone who reads or watches the news would know that right?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

But anyone who reads or watches the news would know that right?

You'd think so .....

[Candy Annie Cane]

I do think now there should be an end to all the media speculation and let the enquiries gather their evidence and help the victims. The world now knows about the allegations and monstrous things that have allegedly happened so it's time that this disappeared from the media to protect the victims and get them the closure they need without media hounding. IMO new stories every day serve no purpose other than to sicken us. The enquiries should be completed and then thise definitive findings be released for public consumption.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I do think now there should be an end to all the media speculation and let the enquiries gather their evidence and help the victims. The world now knows about the allegations and monstrous things that have allegedly happened so it's time that this disappeared from the media to protect the victims and get them the closure they need without media hounding. IMO new stories every day serve no purpose other than to sicken us. The enquiries should be completed and then thise definitive findings be released for public consumption.

My favourite post of the thread so far.

[Omah]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...ed-own-school/

SHAMED Jimmy Savile tried to buy a girls school and open a holiday home for needy children.

The serial child sex abuser attempted to convince charity fundraisers to help him find the cash.

He wanted to turn the old school into a short-stay lodge to give deprived youngsters country breaks, but locals in Axminster, Devon, refused to stump up the money.

Last night, one charity worker said in light of the paedophile revelations stacking up against the late Jim’ll Fix It host they may have had a lucky escape.

He sat in the back of the star’s white Rolls-Royce outside the former Shute School For Girls as Savile outlined his plans.

The former DJ homed in on Axminster after being invited to take part in a sponsored walk for the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital’s body scanner appeal in the mid-70s.

Although he did not take part, he kept in touch with contacts in the area and pounced when he learned the school was for sale in 1974.

Lucky indeed !

[Livia]

Your first reply gives a 'yes' answer to both options of the same query so therefore makes no sense at all. In any case, I'm happy for the law to take over now, and distance myself from the over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers so they can to continue to devour every little detail (whether factual or not, it doesn't seem to matter) with their usual glee.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

Your first reply gives a 'yes' answer to both options of the same query so therefore makes no sense at all. In any case, I'm happy for the law to take over now, and distance myself from the over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers so they can to continue to devour every little detail (whether factual or not, it doesn't seem to matter) with their usual glee.

Were it not for the "over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers", the "law" would have done nothing .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

Were it not for the "over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers", the "law" would have done nothing .....

That is not true. Suggesting the tabloids are saving the day here, and that it's not all about making money and selling papers is blinkered, in the least.

All most people have asked for is evidence, something that can be considered in an inquiry. Somewhere people can be questioned about their allegations in a professional way. That is happening. That's good. I said early in the thread that my mind would be changed by some evidence. I don't think I'm alone in that. Blaming the law is a little lame. Ask some people who were around during the seventies and eighties, what they would have done if he'd assaulted a child or relative of theirs and see how intimidated most people would have been about confronting him and pressing charges.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

That is not true. Suggesting the tabloids are saving the day here, and that it's not all about making money and selling papers is blinkered, in the least.

Who opened the can of worms ?

Not the "law", not the government, not the BBC, not the NHS, not the child protection services ......

Originally Posted by Livia

All most people have asked for is evidence, something that can be considered in an inquiry. Somewhere people can be questions about their allegations in a professional way. That is happening. That's good. I said early in the thread that my mind would be changed by some evidence. I don't think I'm alone in that. Blaming the law is a little lame.

Most people, including all the organisations above (who are implicated in the scandal) don't need "evidence" to accept that Savile was a sordid serial child abuser and sex-fiend .....

Originally Posted by Livia

Ask some people who were around during the seventies and eighties, what they would have done if he'd assaulted a child or relative of theirs and see how intimidated most people would have been about confronting him and pressing charges.

Erm, isn't that what the victims have been saying, that, before the ITV program, your "most people" would have called them liars ..... it seems that now even you accept that Savile was a manipulative bully .....

Originally Posted by Livia

01-10-2012, 02:59 PM

How come then, that no one spoke out during his lifetime? I mean, was he so scary and powerful? How come everyone now knows that it was true because it was " creepy" and yet no one thought it was right to put a stop to it while it was happening? Or is now now an easy target because he can't clear his own name?

If so many people now have evidence that he was guilty, by not submitting it at the time surely they are guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice by withholding evidence.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Omah

Who opened the can of worms ?

Not the "law", not the government, not the BBC, not the NHS, not the child protection services ......


Most people, including all the organisations above (who are implicated in the scandal) don't need "evidence" to accept that Savile was a sordid serial child abuser and sex-fiend .....


Erm, isn't that what the victims have been saying, that, before the ITV program, your "most people" would have called them liars ..... it seems that now even you accept that Savile was a manipulative bully .....

I think I've said everything that I need to say to state my position on this. Flattered though I am that you've had the inclination - not to mention surprised that you’ve had the time - to read back through my posts and pick out little bits to quote, it leaves me surprised that you still don't find my position clear. I’m not churning it all out again, that would be pointless, so until there’s some kind of finding from the inquiries I don’t think I have anything more to add.

[Omah]

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/..._man_1_1660518

The woman first met Savile while she was staying at Garfield House, a children’s home at Dereham in Norfolk, although Savile is not alleged to have abused her at the home.

She was later moved to an approved school in Surrey where she and other girls were visited by Savile.

She said: “We thought it was fantastic.

“Jimmy Savile was a huge TV star. He would come with gifts, cigarettes, which were the currency of the time.”

But she alleged girls would go to Savile’s car and do “sexual favours for him”. She said: “We all knew what was going on. We would laugh among ourselves and say ‘oh, he is a dirty old man’.”

Savile would also regularly take them to see the filming of his Saturday night variety show Clunk Click at BBC Television Centre in London.

She said: “We would go to his dressing room, meet celebrities, the alcohol was flowing. There would be about eight or 10 girls in the dressing room, however many fitted in the minibus. Somebody would be on Jimmy Savile’s lap, he would have had his hand up her jumper, up her skirt.”

A spokesman for Norfolk County Council, which runs Garfield House - a long-term residential home for young people aged between 13 and 17 years, said: “We would encourage anyone who wishes to raise concerns - no matter how historic - to come forward and contact the police. We cannot comment on individual cases”.

Fags'n'booze to vulnerable teens in a BBC studio .....

[Kizzy]

Not sure why this is such an issue for some, the media coverage is in no way affecting any ongoing investigation.
Those who initially regarded victims as at best opportunists and at worst liars are being proved wrong.
As facts are uncovered daily this cobweb widens, if while watching the 10PM news this case is reported there is the option to switch off?

[Kizzy]

Complaints were logged though, and it is being suggested the police failed to act.
Surrey police recently launched their own IPCC inquiry, nobody will be privvy to any evidence that would compromise the whole case surely?
The way the media has reported this depends on what you read obviously, from what I have read it has been sensitive and respectful to the victims as well as jimmys relatives.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Complaints were logged though, and it is being suggested the police failed to act.

I'm not suggesting that the police failed to act - I'm accusing certain police forces of protecting Savile and allowing him to violate (probably) hundreds of children.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

I'm not suggesting that the police failed to act - I'm accusing certain police forces of protecting Savile and allowing him to violate (probably) hundreds of children.

Wow...thats some can of worms
The three wise monkeys approach isn't always wise, the truth will out.