[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i can see these cases pushing my tv licence up!

No Good news is that is Locked
I think they should take it off every BBC Manager in the UK

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i can see these cases pushing my tv licence up!

They can stop paying overatated chat show hosts 6 million a year for a start, that would go along way to compensating the abused.

[Omah]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...s-8226551.html

The BBC's problems over the Jimmy Savile scandal deepened with a furious confrontation between a senior executive and a producer in the corporation’s office.

David Jordan, the head of editorial policy, is alleged to have stormed into the Panorama offices and called Newsnight producer Merion Jones “a despicable person”.

Mr Jones - whose original investigation into child abuse claims was dropped, sparking claims of a cover-up - is said to have replied robustly by criticising Mr Jordan’s role in making public statements on behalf of the corporation.

Sources said the row took place in front of other staff and was a sign of the strains that the Savile affair has put the BBC under.

Good for Merion .....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...s-8226551.html



Good for Merion .....

Yeah we all love a robust denial.

[Nedusa]

As I write this the Police are preparing to question many high profile figures in relation to the Jimmy Savile sex abuse case. These people may have been part of a possible Paedophile ring back in the 70's or they may have been complicit in providing children from children's homes to these people. Or they may have covered up evidence of child sex abuse to protect Savile and other high profile members of this group.

Either way this is explosive stuff and the people about to be arrested whether innocent or guilty will effectively have their reputations flushed down the toilet.

This could develop into one of the biggest child sex scandals this country has ever seen...!!!

[arista]

[Kizzy]

Well i'm guessing a few 'small fry' will get cooked, but as savile himself said if he ''went down'' he would take people with him.
Thats the real reason none of this would have happened whilst he was alive, he knew too much. What other explanation is there?

[Omah]

but I did nothing wrong

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...savile-1401249

Freddie Starr today offered to talk to police investigating Jimmy Savile abuse claims - but once again strongly denied any wrongdoing.

The comedian appeared on Savile's BBC Clunk Click show in 1974 alongside Karin Ward, who was then aged 14.

Ms Ward told ITV News earlier this month she had been “horribly humiliated by Freddie, who had a bad attack of wandering hands and groped me”.

But Freddie has vigorously denied the claims he groped her in Savile’s dressing room, saying it was an “utter lie”.

Speaking outside his home today, the 69-year-old said: "I have said from the word go that I wanted to be interviewed.

"I have always said that I wanted to be interviewed. I have got the press phoning me up to ask if I have been interviewed. I got sick of it.

"Everybody, the press, the police, people at the BBC, they knew that things were going on with Jimmy Savile.

"Everybody is guilty of this. You can put the finger on everybody at the BBC. This fellow was at school when all this was happening."

A spokeswoman for Freddie added: "Freddie is prepared to be interviewed by the police, but his lawyer has been in touch with the person that is heading the investigation and they have no intention of questioning him."

A second spokesman for Starr released a statement saying he had been in "direct contact with the officer leading the Jimmy Savile investigation".

He added: "I asked him the direct question whether the police wished to question Mr Starr as we had heard from the Press that such questioning was imminent.

"He replied, in writing, as follows: 'We have said nothing of the sort, there has been much inaccurate speculation on such matters but should that be considered in the future I have cc'd in the SIO so he is aware of your details.'

"It would therefore appear clear that the police currently have no intention to question Mr Starr.

"Mr Starr has continually denied the allegation made by Karin Ward and we have always maintained that there is absolutely no corroborating evidence to support such wild allegation.

"The confirmation from the police today that there is no intention to question Mr Starr at present supports this."

A Scotland Yard spokesman declined to comment.

Earlier this month, Freddie said: “I was sick to the stomach when I heard that. It is disgusting and it never happened.”

He added he missed out on “the swinging 70s” party era as he was “happily married, private, a workaholic and a bore!”

Today the Mirror revealed that celebrities named by victims in the Savile investigation are set to be quizzed within days.

We shall see .....

[King Gizzard]

Youtube video

[GypsyGoth]

@ that video Nate.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nighthood.html

There is growing disquiet among senior members of the church, which has itself been rocked by child abuse scandals, that the disgraced late TV presenter’s name remains on the list of recipients of one of the highest awards the Pope can bestow.

The Archbishop of Westminster, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, has now written to Rome asking whether Savile’s Papal knighthood can be annulled in recognition of his victims’ “deep distress”.

Church sources said there was no established process to remove a Papal honour posthumously because the award dies with the recipient.

However, senior Roman Catholic clergy in Britain feel that the Vatican should look at whether it can do something to recognise its disgust at the “deeply shocking” series of allegations of child sexual abuse made against the former Jim’ll Fix It presenter.

There is no guarantee that the church will be able to remove the honour and no fixed timetable for Rome to reply to the Archbishop of Westminster.

A source said: “The honour itself goes when the person dies but nevertheless it would appear on Papal honours lists. I don’t know if you remove it entirely or whether there is an asterisk to say, ‘well, actually…’”

It is thought that a Papal knighthood has never previously been removed posthumously. “It would be very, very rare if not unprecedented,” a source said.

Savile, who described himself as a devout Catholic, was made a Knight Commander of St Gregory the Great by Pope John Paul II in 1990 for his charity work.

The honour is awarded to Catholics, and on occasion non-Catholics, who have demonstrated “pre-eminent” service to their faith, community, or the work of the Vatican.

Other recipients have included Rupert Murdoch, the billionaire media tycoon, Sir Matt Busby, the former Manchester United Manager, and John Hume, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Northern Ireland politician.

A spokesman for the Archbishop of Westminster said: “The Archbishop of Westminster, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, wrote last week to the Holy See asking the competent office to investigate whether the Papal Honour awarded to Jimmy Savile for his charitable works could be posthumously removed and its effects nullified, recognising the deep distress of all those who have suffered abuse and the disquiet at Mr Savile’s name remaining on Papal Honours lists.

Yeah, remove and nullify .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nighthood.html

Yeah, remove and nullify .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20108980

Savile was made a Knight Commander of St Gregory the Great by Pope John Paul II for his charity work. It is one of the highest awards the Pope can bestow.

There is no established process to remove a papal knighthood posthumously because the honour dies with the recipient.

Speaking to BBC News, the Vatican's official spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the Holy See "firmly condemns the horrible crimes of sexual abuse of minors," adding it considered the Savile revelations as "very grave".

"It is deeply saddened that a person who has been soiled in this way could in his lifetime have been proposed for an honour by the Holy See, which in the light of recent information should certainly not have been bestowed."

Father Lombdardi went on: "As there does not exist any permanent official list of persons who have received papal honours in the past, it is not possible to strike anyone off a list that does not exist.

"The names of recipients of papal honours do not appear in the Pontifical Year Book and the honour expires with the death of the individual.

"The most important thing, therefore, is to reaffirm the Church's condemnation of all forms of sexual abuse, and particularly abuse of minors, as extremely grave crimes. The Holy See is adamant on this point."

How weird that the Holy See does not keep records of honours .....

[Kizzy]

Let's have ruperts while we're at it...

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/1003415/sa...y-police-probe

Major stars from the 60s and 70s are terrified of being named in connection with the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal, according to PR guru Max Clifford.

Mr Clifford told Sky News that up to 15 celebrities in Britain and beyond had been in touch with him in recent days to express their fears.

The stars are concerned because of their hedonistic lifestyles when they were at the peak of their fame, when young girls would throw themselves at them, he said.

He told Sky: "In the last few days, I have had an awful lot of calls and expect to get a lot more - some from very famous people who in the 60s and 70s were in the middle of this music explosion in this country.

"I'm very close friends with a lot of these people and have been for 40 to 50 years. I am in the middle of the media world so I'm the first person they turn to.

"Their lives often depend on popularity and public perception. There are a lot of things that get put out there that have nothing to do with reality but can be very damaging.

"They are all saying that they were totally unaware and they themselves have never done anything remotely like Jimmy Savile. Naturally they are concerned because names are being mentioned - 95% of it is total nonsense but it is happening."

He added: "If you're 19 or 20 and suddenly you become a pop star and a dozen girls burst into your dressing room... you don't actually sit there and ask for birth certificates."

If you don't then you gotta live with the consequences .....

[Kizzy]

It's all well and good trying to downplay it, well done max thats your job damage limitation.
Everyone is aware groupies existed, they are not the issue here.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kizzy

It's all well and good trying to downplay it, well done max thats your job damage limitation.
Everyone is aware groupies existed, they are not the issue here.

Surely if any of Savile's victims were abused by Savile and another still alive well known celeb they would have already informed the police when they made their first statement.

So it makes me ask who else is involved are they as high profile as Savile and are the police now gathering evidence prior to arresting and charging.

The game could soon be up for these people and crying to Max Clifford ain't gonna change anything...!!!

[arista]

Not Ever Old Star uses Max.

But getting their names Front Page
will be a major problem.

[Kizzy]

Microscope you appear to have taken a real interest in this issue, and in particular omahs comments.
These were in response to media articles yes, and are his reaction to them.
Your standpoint appears to be those who accuse are wrong/ mercenary, however those who are accused deserve a fair hearing, do you not see the double standard?

[microscope]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Microscope you appear to have taken a real interest in this issue, and in particular omahs comments.
These were in response to media articles yes, and are his reaction to them.

Yes it is of interest to me. I don't like how the media works sometimes and the fact that they can destroy people, especially when there is profit to be made and they can get away with it. 'Trial by Media' I believe it's called. Very sad - especially when the person they are attacking is dead, so he can't defend himself.

I replied to Omah's comments he made to my post a few pages back, so I responded.

Your standpoint appears to be those who accuse are wrong/ mercenary, however those who are accused deserve a fair hearing, do you not see the double standard?

All those who are accusing are alive. They can have their say and tell whatever story they like to the police or media and the media will be more than happy to print it, as it's in their interest to and they are allowed to by law. Jimmy Savile is dead, so therefore cannot fight back in any way-shape or-form. Nobody in his family (what little he has) is going to fight his corner, unlike Michael Jackson who would have had his family fight for his good name if he had died a lot earlier before he first got accused.

Also if you read what I first wrote on page 29 of this thread - 13th post down, you will read my other views regarding this man and the whole politically correct nanny state of today which was not so apparent years ago.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by microscope

Yes it is of interest to me. I don't like how the media works sometimes and the fact that they can destroy people, especially when there is profit to be made and they can get away with it. 'Trial by Media' I believe it's called. Very sad - especially when the person they are attacking is dead, so he can't defend himself.

But wasn't it "the media" who have known that Savile was a rampaging paedophile all along and kept their mouths shut - so he was "spared" 'Trial by Media' ..... in fact, the master manipulator used his "antics" to line his own pockets and those of the media moguls by feeding off the mugs who bought into the Savile public image .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by microscope

All those who are accusing are alive.

Well, yes .... otherwise, they'd be dead, like Savile .....

[arista]

Caught on camera: Jimmy Savile gropes terrified teenage girl as he presents Top Of The Pops

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2AWShmyDa

[microscope]

originally posted by arista

Caught on camera: Jimmy Savile gropes terrified teenage girl as he presents Top Of The Pops

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2AWShmyDa

This is ridiculous?

That picture shows nothing. Could have been Jimmy being cheeky and tickling her. So what, no big deal!

[Sticks]

May I recommend you all read "The Lucifer effect" by professor Philip Zimbado (The same professor behind the Stanford Prison Experiment

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Sticks

May I recommend you all read "The Lucifer effect" by professor Philip Zimbado (The same professor behind the Stanford Prison Experiment

a) Do you mean Dr. Philip G. Zimbardo?

b) Who are "you all"?

c) Why whould "we all" read it?