[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Lord Alistair McAlpine

Where did you hear this lee?

[Kizzy]

Well, been digging ...
7 nov 1988, in lords hansard the Earl of Dundee explains there is a new 'task force' at Broadmoor headed by DR Jimmy Savile..?

[AnnieK]

Every day there seems to be more failings by authorities uncovered. It's so worrying..

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well, been digging ...
7 nov 1988, in lords hansard the Earl of Dundee explains there is a new 'task force' at Broadmoor headed by DR Jimmy Savile..?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...Earl_of_Dundee

Alexander Henry Scrymgeour, 12th Earl of Dundee (born 5 June 1949) is a Scottish peer and Conservative politician.

Dundee is the son of Henry James Scrymgeour-Wedderburn, 11th Earl of Dundee, and Patricia Montagu Douglas Scott.

He has sat in the House of Lords since 1983 and served as a Lord-in-Waiting (Conservative Party whip in the House of Lords) from 1986-1989. He served as Government Spokesperson for Education 1986-88, Government Spokesperson for Scottish Affairs 1986-89, Government Spokesperson for Home Affairs and for Energy 1987-89. He was made an elected hereditary peer (as Earl of Dundee) in 1999.

He has served as the UK delegate to the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe from 1992-97. He was also a Member of the Council of Europe parliament and the Western European parliament from 1992-99. The Earl is honorary consul of Croatia in Edinburgh, and is decorated with the Order of Prince Branimir.

Lord Dundee is also the Hereditary Royal Standard Bearer of Scotland, Constable of Dundee, and Chief of the Name and Arms of Scrymgeour.

I don't see any connection to Savile .....

http://www.birkhillcastle.org.uk/

Birkhill is the family home of the Earl and Countess of Dundee and their family. Guests will very quickly feel at home in the friendly atmosphere. Located on the shores of the river Tay a short distance from St Andrews, the castle offers a wide range of facilities for corporate and private groups alike. The castle is also a most romantic venue for weddings.

[Kizzy]

Wiki?...tuttut
It was posted to highlight the appointment by the tories in 88 of DR savile omah.
It also signalled the birth of 'care' in the community.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Wiki?...tuttut
It was posted to highlight the appointment by the tories in 88 of DR savile omah.

Surely we've already covered that in this thread ?

The Earl of Dundee, AFAIK, had nothing to do with the appointment ..... In August 1988, Savile was appointed, by junior health minister Edwina Currie, as chair of an interim task force overseeing the management of Broadmoor Hospital, after its board members had been suspended.

Edwina Currie: I have nothing to hide over Jimmy Savile

21 Oct 2012

Edwina Currie today defended her decision to allow Jimmy Savile to head up a taskforce driving reforms at Broadmoor hospital where he is accused of sexually assaulting patients.

Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.

Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.

Pete Saunders, the chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said of Savile's role at the mental hospital: "It really is akin to giving Dracula the keys to the blood bank."

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

It also signalled the birth of 'care' in the community.

The origins of community care

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/229517.stm

The main push towards community care as we know it today came in the 1950s and 1960s, an era which saw a sea change in attitude towards the treatment of the mentally ill and a rise in the patients' rights movement, tied to civil rights campaigns.

The 1959 Mental Health Act abolished the distinction between psychiatric and other hospitals and encouraged the development of community care.

The 1960s

Through the 1960s, the tide continued to move against the big hospital institutions.

The introduction of a new wave of psychotropic drugs in the 1960s also meant patients could be more easily treated outside of an institution.

Another significant development was the growth of patients' and civil rights movements and the increase in charities which championed them.

In addition, right-wing civil libertarians like former health minister Enoch Powell, dubbed by some the Father of Community Care, argued that mental hospitals were effectively prisons, preventing a return to normal life.

There was also a belief that community care would be cheaper than hospital care, although in recent years mental health campaigners have consistently argued that, if properly funded, it is more expensive.

During the 1970s, large-scale psychiatric hospitals were steadily discredited.

The new district general hospitals which provided some psychiatric services contributed to the reduction in the number of beds in mental hospitals from 150,000 in the mid-1950s to 80,000 by 1975.

The 1980s

The 1980s saw the introduction of legislation which would give the mentally ill more rights.

The Mental Health Act 1983, currently under review, set out the rights of people admitted to mental hospitals, allowing them to appeal against committal.

However, by the 1980s concerns were being expressed about care in the community following a series of killings by people with mental health problems.

The 1984 murder of social worker Isabel Schwarz by a former client prompted a government inquiry into community care, led by Sir Roy Griffiths.

His 1988 report, 'Community Care: Agenda for Action' was the forerunner to the Community Care Act of 1990, major legislation which sets out the basis for community care as we know it today.

Blimey, Enoch Powell .....

[Kizzy]

I know he had nothing to do with the appointment omah, my point was the Lords were falsely informed jimmy was a doctor...
flipping heck, keep up chuck!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I know he had nothing to do with the appointment omah, my point was the Lords were falsely informed jimmy was a doctor...
flipping heck, keep up chuck!

Since there was no link or (sic), I assumed it was your error .....

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/l...881107_HOL_188

I should like briefly to refer again to Broadmoor, about which the noble Lord, Lord Allen, has spoken. The activities of the Broadmoor Hospital Board were suspended during August and the operational management of the hospital is in the hands of a specially formulated task force whose best known member is Dr. Jimmy Savile. Dr. Savile has been involved with the work of Broadmoor Hospital for many years and is now devoting his considerable talents to ensuring that the hospital functions smoothly during this difficult interim period before the new special health authority comes into being.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Since there was no link or (sic), I assumed it was your error .....

Error...me? don't be daft! lol

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Error...me? don't be daft! lol

Well actually, yes ..... you said DR not Dr. (see quote and link above), so I construed that as a mis-spelling for DJ .....

[Omah]

Of course, "the noble Earl" himself (or his secretary) must take the blame for the allocation of qualification where none belonged .....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm sticking by Bruce Forsyth. He's been a "force" for decades too. And he was "sick" last week.....sick with worry eh Brucey

CHRISTOPHER BIGGINS!!!

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Where did you hear this lee?

If I told you I'd have to kill you

But yeah, allegedly he used to rape little boys and even killed two of them

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Lee.

If I told you I'd have to kill you

But yeah, allegedly he used to rape little boys and even killed two of them

ALLEGEDLY. I think at this point they could say anything and we'll believe it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Well actually, yes ..... you said DR not Dr. (see quote and link above), so I construed that as a mis-spelling for DJ .....

Forgive me, I was trying to put the EMPHASIS on the Dr..
Was it a typo, or would Edwina rather the Lords not know a DJ was was running Broadmoor?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.channel4.com/news/how-jim...iatrists-chair



Just ..... an evil genius .....

Evil genius. Maybe in his own way he wanted to get caught, and was having fun seeing how much he could get away with. I've been watching some of his clips and knowing what we know now, if you string it together he's actually giving hints. News of the week one asked "what do you do in your caravan" " anything i can lay my hands on "

"i'm feared in every girls school.." something or other.
and other things.

This was like the thomas crown affair but with the godfather of pedophilia.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Forgive me, I was trying to put the EMPHASIS on the Dr..
Was it a typo, or would Edwina rather the Lords not know a DJ was was running Broadmoor?

The latter .....

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...police-1415841

FREDDIE Starr talked for the first time yesterday of his *horror at being dragged into the Jimmy Savile sex scandal and being given a grilling by cops.

Trembling with anger and disgust he told the Sunday People: “The way I’m being treated I feel like I’m the new Yorkshire Ripper.”

“It’s heartbreaking and its affecting my health and everything. It’s *unbelievable. I’m absolutely drained.

“I’ve had four heart attacks. I think if things keep on like this it’s going to kill me... or something will happen.”

Freddie battled to put on a brave face after inviting us for an exclusive interview at his Warwickshire home.

He claims he was distraught when *officers raided his home on Friday, *taking away stacks of his *belongings. They seized a computer hard drive, his old address books, precious old *photographs and his iPhone.

Then, nervously lighting up his fifth cigarette in an hour, Freddie’s voice nearly choked as he said: “I absolutely hate paedophiles. If I even see a child getting hurt on TV I have to change channel.”

Freddie and his fiancée Sophie Lea, 34, have hired a team of private *detectives “working non-stop round the clock” to help clear his name.

And he said that despite his inner turmoil he won’t rest until he has *finally proven his innocence.

Freddie said: "I’m not like Jimmy Savile. I met him three times. Once on the TV show Clunk Clink, once when he came into my sports shop in Leeds and once when he came to see me at a club in London with his mother.

“I’ve put my heart and soul into *showbiz – 50 years unblemished.

“Now all the good work I’ve done has been to no avail. It has all been taken away by one allegation.

“It shouldn’t be like that. But I know the truth will come out in the end.”

"The laddy doth protest too much, methinks."

[Maia]

Poor guy he shouldn't be dragged into this

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm so tired I read the name Freddie Mercury. I was like wtf he was involved too?!

[lostalex]

I would support castration for child sex offenders.

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...en-linked.html

WARPED Jimmy Savile has been sensationally linked to the Yorkshire Ripper serial slayings, The Sun can reveal.

Mass killer Peter Sutcliffe murdered third victim Irene Richardson yards from the paedophile DJ’s penthouse.

Regular Broadmoor visitor Savile also befriended Sutcliffe after the Ripper was moved to the secure hospital for his slaughter spree.

Professor David Wilson, Britain’s top expert on serial killers, believes police should now investigate whether the hideous pair’s sinister bond developed BEFORE Sutcliffe was caught.

Another crime expert even thinks BBC star Savile could have turned killer himself in his craving for more and more perverted thrills.

And the family of Sutcliffe’s first victim are demanding that cops question the killer, now 66, to find out if Savile was involved in any of the 13 Ripper murders or helped cover them up.

Former gravedigger Sutcliffe knifed Irene, 28, and killed her with three hammer blows near toilets in Roundhay Park, Leeds, on February 5, 1977.

Leeds-born Savile — suspected of abusing 300 young victims over 50 years — had taken a lease on his flat in Lakeview Court, overlooking the park, in September 1971.

Prof Wilson — dubbed a real-life version of TV’s Cracker — said: “At first sight the suggestion that Savile might be connected with the crimes committed by Sutcliffe will seem far-fetched.

“Yet predatory paedophiles and serial killers are the awful products of common forces which, in their case, were allowed to develop unchecked.

“So the links aren’t that far-fetched at all.

“Savile and Sutcliffe came from the same area and some of Sutcliffe’s crimes took place very close to where Savile lived.

“Both inhabited a world where men were encouraged to take what they wanted by force and where girls and women were seen as things to be used and then discarded. They used sex and violence instead of intimacy to express their inner demons — the need to be powerful and to control girls and women.”

Savile revealed his vicious streak in a 2002 interview. He said he wanted to murder TV documentary maker Louis Theroux for trying to make “salacious TV” at his expense.

He declared: “If he wants to die, he can die.”

Now if Savile was also a killer .....

[Kizzy]

WYP were regularly called to his club, where troublemakers were given a 'seeing to'.
He regularly went too far...

[Mrluvaluva]

He has been pictured with Peter Sutcliffe many years ago. Search the internet...