[DrunkerThanMoses]

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

she thinks she's an Angel

[Pink Pegasus]

Yep,but to be fair none of her behaviour was played back to her,or even mentioned during her eviction. She got no explanation for all the boos,and she obviously hasn't been able to work it out for herself.
Even when she does discover how much she was disliked by the public in earlier weeks,I think she'll still maintain that she did nothing wrong.

[J-Rock]

Yes.

But I think in time she will get to hear why she was disliked so much and booted. If she had any bottle she may even have a sly glance at the forum boards - if she dared.

I don't think she can escape it really. But I still think she will say 'I was just meself lyyyke, and I aint changing for nowwwone' -- more deluded than Bea (at least Bea said she may have to change and I give her some respect for that).

[Pink Pegasus]

[rquote=2528083&tid=145691&author=J-Rock]Yes.

But I think in time she will get to hear why she was disliked so much and booted. If she had any bottle she may even have a sly glance at the forum boards - if she dared.

I don't think she can escape it really. But I still think she will say 'I was just meself lyyyke, and I aint changing for nowwwone' -- more deluded than Bea (at least Bea said she may have to change and I give her some respect for that).

[/rquote]

I agree. She will probably just use the old chesnuts "it's like a bubble/pressure cooker in that house" or "I was being real,everyone else was fake" lines as an excuse for any aggresiveness she displayed.

[Jackie]

Ha ha i bet we she goes to the shop t obuy her fags the assisant will say "Do you wanna a cup of tea with that"

[ElProximo]

She didn't do anything to be ashamed of and can hold her head as high and even higher than when she went in.
The worst:
She was too defensive and put on this 'tough dyke' persona. She relaxed and let that go. She panicked a bit and shaved her head 'lapsing' back,
but,
over the weeks she showed more of her real strong sense, she started to come to grips with her sexuality and she cared for the kids and she stood up against bullies and she appropriately put people back in place. excellent strategies and she made it to the 'final' (well the final week heh),
and,
She became a better person throughout. She was on a 'journey' of improvement. She was also one HM who said what she meant and meant what she said.

Sorry folks but you are the bitter ones. Lisa can stand tall.
No, she was not perfect. She had bad days and a few bad moments. She had more good days, improvements and took it all on the chin.

Lisa might be one of the few HMs who doesn't have to 'apologise' to anyone for anything and she ought not, not to you or anyone.
Lisa FTW!

[freesias]

[rquote=2528383&tid=145691&author=ElProximo]She didn't do anything to be ashamed of and can hold her head as high and even higher than when she went in.
The worst:
She was too defensive and put on this 'tough dyke' persona. She relaxed and let that go. She panicked a bit and shaved her head 'lapsing' back,
but,
over the weeks she showed more of her real strong sense, she started to come to grips with her sexuality and she cared for the kids and she stood up against bullies and she appropriately put people back in place. excellent strategies and she made it to the 'final' (well the final week heh),
and,
She became a better person throughout. She was on a 'journey' of improvement. She was also one HM who said what she meant and meant what she said.

Sorry folks but you are the bitter ones. Lisa can stand tall.
No, she was not perfect. She had bad days and a few bad moments. She had more good days, improvements and took it all on the chin.

Lisa might be one of the few HMs who doesn't have to 'apologise' to anyone for anything and she ought not, not to you or anyone.
Lisa FTW!

[/rquote]


How was it a journey of improvement?

Her words.

"I aint changing for no one."

[ElProximo]

[rquote=2528413&tid=145691&author=freesias][rquote=2528383&tid=145691&author=ElProximo]She didn't do anything to be ashamed of and can hold her head as high and even higher than when she went in.
The worst:
She was too defensive and put on this 'tough dyke' persona. She relaxed and let that go. She panicked a bit and shaved her head 'lapsing' back,
but,
over the weeks she showed more of her real strong sense, she started to come to grips with her sexuality and she cared for the kids and she stood up against bullies and she appropriately put people back in place. excellent strategies and she made it to the 'final' (well the final week heh),
and,
She became a better person throughout. She was on a 'journey' of improvement. She was also one HM who said what she meant and meant what she said.

Sorry folks but you are the bitter ones. Lisa can stand tall.
No, she was not perfect. She had bad days and a few bad moments. She had more good days, improvements and took it all on the chin.

Lisa might be one of the few HMs who doesn't have to 'apologise' to anyone for anything and she ought not, not to you or anyone.
Lisa FTW!

[/rquote]


How was it a journey of improvement?

Her words.

"I aint changing for no one." [/rquote]

That is not a contradictory statement. Not at all when the context and true meaning is simply seen:
- She was referring to 'celeb status' to be fair,
-When we go on a journey of self improvement we really don't see that as 'changing who we are' but really improving who we are and most often we mean to say 'becoming MORE the person we ought to be'.
and,
Even still, the statement works again to establish that whether you change or not - she isn't doing it FOR anyone.
Good!
Never change (as in improve who you are or better the 'real you) but never change FOR ANYONE.
You do it for YOU.
Otherwise its gone wrong.

Good on Lisa - class act leaving as well!

[camaleon]

I haven't seen anything wrong with her, maybe I missed the episodes where she did something nasty?? She wasn't perfect, neither was anybody in the house.
And she had to be very strong and stand up for herself otherwise she will be very easily bullied.
She wasn't young, she was not coming from a well positioned social status, she is single....
If she had shown more of her soft side, they would have walked over her....

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2528083&tid=145691&author=J-Rock]Yes.

But I think in time she will get to hear why she was disliked so much and booted. If she had any bottle she may even have a sly glance at the forum boards - if she dared.

I don't think she can escape it really. But I still think she will say 'I was just meself lyyyke, and I aint changing for nowwwone' -- more deluded than Bea (at least Bea said she may have to change and I give her some respect for that).

[/rquote]

Yeah, thats cos Bea was actually given a good grilling and shown examples of her behaviour. Why would Lisa think she did anything wrong when Davina was licking her arse and John McC. was silenced everytime he tried to ask her a decent question.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2528431&tid=145691&author=camaleon]I haven't seen anything wrong with her, maybe I missed the episodes where she did something nasty?? She wasn't perfect, neither was anybody in the house.
And she had to be very strong and stand up for herself otherwise she will be very easily bullied.
She wasn't young, she was not coming from a well positioned social status, she is single....
If she had shown more of her soft side, they would have walked over her....[/rquote]

Well, a huge number of people thought she was being very nasty at times (maybe you did miss those episodes!) granted she kept her head down alot of the time but because so many people were upset/annoyed by her aggresive behaviour, then I feel it was Davinas job to atleast ask her a few decent questions about it and show her some footage of it. I mean Davina is supposed to be the voice for the voting public after all

[yousoboo!]

[rquote=2528383&tid=145691&author=ElProximo]She didn't do anything to be ashamed of and can hold her head as high and even higher than when she went in.
The worst:
She was too defensive and put on this 'tough dyke' persona. She relaxed and let that go. She panicked a bit and shaved her head 'lapsing' back,
but,
over the weeks she showed more of her real strong sense, she started to come to grips with her sexuality and she cared for the kids and she stood up against bullies and she appropriately put people back in place. excellent strategies and she made it to the 'final' (well the final week heh),
and,
She became a better person throughout. She was on a 'journey' of improvement. She was also one HM who said what she meant and meant what she said.

Sorry folks but you are the bitter ones. Lisa can stand tall.
No, she was not perfect. She had bad days and a few bad moments. She had more good days, improvements and took it all on the chin.

Lisa might be one of the few HMs who doesn't have to 'apologise' to anyone for anything and she ought not, not to you or anyone.
Lisa FTW!

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she came across as an aggresive bitch during her eviction interview.

[Cybele]

Just like Bea thought she was "honest" instead of a bad person, Lisa thinks everything she did was fine because she was "just being herself." Self-delusion at its finest. And this is why these two will never learn from their mistakes or grow as people.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2528477&tid=145691&author=Cybele]Just like Bea thought she was "honest" instead of a bad person, Lisa thinks everything she did was fine because she was "just being herself." Self-delusion at its finest. And this is why these two will never learn from their mistakes or grow as people.[/rquote]

Yeah, I really don't know where the attitude of if you say something nasty to somebodys face and not just behind their backs then its ok cos you're "just being honest" and should be comended for it! Whatever happened to "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything"!

[aborigenie]

[rquote=2528383&tid=145691&author=ElProximo]She didn't do anything to be ashamed of and can hold her head as high and even higher than when she went in.
The worst:
She was too defensive and put on this 'tough dyke' persona. She relaxed and let that go. She panicked a bit and shaved her head 'lapsing' back,
but,
over the weeks she showed more of her real strong sense, she started to come to grips with her sexuality and she cared for the kids and she stood up against bullies and she appropriately put people back in place. excellent strategies and she made it to the 'final' (well the final week heh),
and,
She became a better person throughout. She was on a 'journey' of improvement. She was also one HM who said what she meant and meant what she said.

Sorry folks but you are the bitter ones. Lisa can stand tall.
No, she was not perfect. She had bad days and a few bad moments. She had more good days, improvements and took it all on the chin.

Lisa might be one of the few HMs who doesn't have to 'apologise' to anyone for anything and she ought not, not to you or anyone.
Lisa FTW!

[/rquote]

WTF are you on about???