[arsenalforever]

Sophie was a member no denying it
Lisa with the help of Bea got rid of Freddie and helped her come on top

WAs this a victory for the not bullies but nasty team?

[GypsyGoth]

I remember Sophie once talking to Lisa. I think it was a sunny day and they were looking over at Freddy/Siavash, I think Noirin was still there at this time.

Sophie said something like "They are picking us off one by one."


So Sophie for me was always with Lisa, up until the final week. When Lisa noticed her switch to Siavash.

But still I do look upon it as a victory for team Lisa. Would be the same if Kris or Charlie had won.

[Arneldo]

No. Nobody in the house was a bully.

Lisa may not have been the nicest person ever, but that does not mean her friends were nasty. sophie was a nice, funny girl and a nd a deserving winner.

[arsenalforever]

[rquote=2571054&tid=147664&author=Arneldo]No. Nobody in the house was a bully.

Lisa may not have been the nicest person ever, but that does not mean her friends were nasty. sophie was a nice, funny girl and a nd a deserving winner.[/rquote]

When they were knocking Freddie in the first few weeks they weren't nice then

and Sophie was boring and best out of a bad lot

[Twilight]

Yeah i agree its sad that Lisa's gang won.
and hey arsenal i missed you

[DrunkerThanMoses]

In this so called gang, Sophie at least was the least horrible, alltough their was times when she was horrible, but she was sucked into the gossip, she mixed with the wrong crowd, and I dont think Lisa's gang won, I mean look who has the most people on here supporting him (freddie), whos on the top as the favouriote overall housemate (freddie), and who was voted best housemate evryweek untill he was evicted (freddie)..........

Sophie was an oaky person, who was kind sometimes, and was just a normal person...
I did hate her bitchy side sometimes, and her shitty fling with kris... apart from that an okay winner!

[King Gizzard]

Yes this was one of my main reasons for not wanting her to win, people seem to forget her joining in arguements.

[Niamh.]

Hello Arsenal While agree with you that I would have rathered someone not in that group to have won, I don't think there was a whole lot that could have been done about it. Love her or loathe her Lisa played the game well, she didn't break any of the rules by getting people onside with her in there. And I really don't think she deserves any of the responsibilty for Beas behaviour towards Freddie. Lisa didn't even like Bea. Bea was a fruit loop all by herself!!

[ricky2k9]

Sophie wasnt really a member of her gang, it was only because she went out with kris.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571276&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]Sophie wasnt really a member of her gang, it was only because she went out with kris.[/rquote]

She was a half-member because of Kris yes but also herself & karly were thick-as-thieves

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

[rquote=2571279&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571276&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]Sophie wasnt really a member of her gang, it was only because she went out with kris.[/rquote]

She was a half-member because of Kris yes but also herself & karly were thick-as-thieves[/rquote]

As Freddie himself said she was a sheep, when she did finally escape Lisa (when Kris left) everyone was pleased that she did.

However she did at the start, she bought into it - if you say Kris influenced her, fine I would still have to agree. But she is still responsible for her actions. If someone talked me into doing something, I still have to take respsonsibility for it and hold my hands up.

As should she.

Niamhxo - Thick as thieves is a great way to put it, haven't heard that expression for years, good choice

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571285&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571279&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571276&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]Sophie wasnt really a member of her gang, it was only because she went out with kris.[/rquote]

She was a half-member because of Kris yes but also herself & karly were thick-as-thieves[/rquote]

As Freddie himself said she was a sheep, when she did finally escape Lisa (when Kris left) everyone was pleased that she did.

However she did at the start, she bought into it - if you say Kris influenced her, fine I would still have to agree. But she is still responsible for her actions. If someone talked me into doing something, I still have to take respsonsibility for it and hold my hands up.

As should she.

Niamhxo - Thick as thieves is a great way to put it, haven't heard that expression for years, good choice [/rquote]

LOL, thanks I feel old now hehe!! Being easily-led is nearly wrose I think, Sophie was ok but she needs to grow a back-bone and start thinking for herself!

[ricky2k9]

If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

[rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old)

[ricky2k9]

Rodrigo made Sophie look more entertaining than she was. Without Rodrigo she would have been so quiet in there after Kris left.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571297&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old) [/rquote]

Old head, Oi!!! I'm only 30!!! Can you put "only" in front of 30 hehe!!

[King Gizzard]

Yes, she owes alot of it to Rod And theyre going to live together arent they, so no doubt he'll get some of her money lol

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

[rquote=2571299&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571297&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old) [/rquote]

Old head, Oi!!! I'm only 30!!! Can you put "only" in front of 30 hehe!![/rquote]

hahah Im 29 tomorrow so I can still call you an old fart, shall I get your slippers for you?

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571301&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571299&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571297&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old) [/rquote]

Old head, Oi!!! I'm only 30!!! Can you put "only" in front of 30 hehe!![/rquote]

hahah Im 29 tomorrow so I can still call you an old fart, shall I get your slippers for you?[/rquote]

Go ahead enjoy your last year of being young!!

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

[rquote=2571305&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571301&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571299&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571297&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old) [/rquote]

Old head, Oi!!! I'm only 30!!! Can you put "only" in front of 30 hehe!![/rquote]

hahah Im 29 tomorrow so I can still call you an old fart, shall I get your slippers for you?[/rquote]

Go ahead enjoy your last year of being young!![/rquote]

Fair enough - I shall have a breakfast line.

[Niamh.]

[rquote=2571306&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571305&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571301&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571299&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571297&tid=147664&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2571293&tid=147664&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2571291&tid=147664&author=ricky2k9]If she stayed in Lisa's gang she wouldnt have won the show imo.[/rquote]

You're right, I'd say, If it wasn't for Rodrigo being her friend I don't think she would have won the show. Because she got on so well with him and he really had his own mind, she didn't follow the "gang" 100% but I reckon she would have if it wasn't for him.[/rquote]

Agreed. You are a wise old head Niamhxo (whos name I keep having to check when spelling) (to keep with making you feel old) [/rquote]

Old head, Oi!!! I'm only 30!!! Can you put "only" in front of 30 hehe!![/rquote]

hahah Im 29 tomorrow so I can still call you an old fart, shall I get your slippers for you?[/rquote]

Go ahead enjoy your last year of being young!![/rquote]

Fair enough - I shall have a breakfast line.[/rquote]


LOL

[MassiveTruck]

Lisa didn't even have a gang but going by the "Lisa's gang won" thing then I am happy with that.

They actually destroyed the others to begging for money off the winner!

[mado]

sophie fitted in bothe teams

[J-Rock]

I think age plays a factor in all this. In terms of the 'game', then Lisa's gang won, yes.

Lisa's 'gang' was a reality. Kris, Karly, Sophie and Charlie used to hang around her, partly out of fear and partly out of her being the older matriarch. I don't think Lisa orchestrated all of the bullying (which WAS another reality), e.g. one of the worst moments was when Kris and Charlie decided to play 'hide and seek' with Freddie. He was all excited to play (like a little boy who thought he was being accepted) and then they just left him, thinking it was hilarious. Lisa just looked on and laughed. Schoolyard tactics.

However, although Sophie was part of it, she did change and eventually called Lisa 'nasty' or something like that. She was easily influenced.

Moreover, the only two main ex HMs who you can say have a solid 'fanbase' are Marcus and Freddie. Who now cares about Lisa, or really Sophie (apart from the lad's mags). The main winners out of all the smoke in most eyes were these two.

So, in terms of 'real life' my answer is no.