[InOne]

In your mind you might be able to. But really, bet you can't.

[Niamh.]

There's no such thing as Niamh

[Tom4784]

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.

[Stu]

Of course we exist, but on what level is the question. This life could be a mental projection we are sending ourselves from another plane.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Of course we exist, but on what level is the question. This life could be a mental projection we are sending ourselves from another plane.

or maybe this is the Matrix! Could be though

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

or maybe this is the Matrix! Could be though

Not the exact Matrix, but the trilogy is fantastic and raises all those sort of questions, yes.

One thing that IS fake however, and most people don't realise this, is your ego. It's just been built up over time and can be altered or removed at will. This is also where 'bad trips' come from, i.e. people who freak out on psychedelics because they come to the sudden realisation of just how subjective and temporary there current lifestyle is. Ego death was long sought after in ancient times because by removing everything you know and all your distractions you could dig right down into your inner subconscious.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Not the exact Matrix, but the trilogy is fantastic and raises all those sort of questions, yes.

One thing that IS fake however, and most people don't realise this, is your ego. It's just been built up over time and can be altered or removed at will. This is also where 'bad trips' come from, i.e. people who freak out on psychedelics because they come to the sudden realisation of just how subjective and temporary there current lifestyle is. Ego death was long sought after in ancient times because by removing everything you know and all your distractions you could dig right down into your inner subconscious.

I definately think there is a hell of alot more to our minds than we know about or how to use. Not sure about exact percentages but there's quite a large percentage of brains that we don't use, it has to be there for something, but what?

[Nicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.

What happens if you're deaf/blind etc, do you no exist if you only have 4 senses? tehehe >.<

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Nicky.

What happens if you're deaf/blind etc, do you no exist if you only have 4 senses? tehehe >.<

Raises another interesting point. Many blind/deaf/both people have incredibly heightened inner sense of mind, due to being able to block off by default sensory distractions from the outside world.

Hence why people use sensory deprivation tanks when exploring such topics as this...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.

You Spunky Devil

[Wildcat!]

The fact that you ask that question, proves that you exist.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The fact that you ask that question, proves that you exist.

It really does not. How do you know I even asked it in the first place? Might be all in your mind...

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

It really does not. How do you know I even asked it in the first place? Might be all in your mind...

LEt me give you a quote from Descates, I have studied his relativity theory, and its pretty convincing. YOu have to read it very carefully, I remember, it took me a while to even undertand what he was talking about:


"But I have convinced myself that there is absolutely nothing in the world, no sky, no earth, no minds, no bodies. Does it now follow that I too do not exist? No. If I convinced myself of something [or thought anything at all] then I certainly existed. But there is a deceiver of supreme power and cunning who is deliberately and constantly deceiving me. In that case I too undoubtedly exist, if he is deceiving me; and let him deceive me as much as he can, he will never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I think that I am something. So, after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind. "

[James]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

LEt me give you a quote from Descates, I have studied his relativity theory, and its pretty convincing. YOu have to read it very carefully, I remember, it took me a while to even undertand what he was talking about:


"But I have convinced myself that there is absolutely nothing in the world, no sky, no earth, no minds, no bodies. Does it now follow that I too do not exist? No. If I convinced myself of something [or thought anything at all] then I certainly existed. But there is a deceiver of supreme power and cunning who is deliberately and constantly deceiving me. In that case I too undoubtedly exist, if he is deceiving me; and let him deceive me as much as he can, he will never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I think that I am something. So, after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind. "

If I've understood it right... that only proves to me that I exist. It doesn't prove to me that you and everything else exists.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by James

If I've understood it right... that only proves to me that I exist. It doesn't prove to me that you and everything else exists.

Thats actually a good point.....
Let me think about it.
Actually, yeah, that is all it proves. I dont think Descartes ever claimed otherwise, so youre right.

[setanta]

I doubt, therefore I am.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by setanta

I doubt, therefore I am.

The quote is, I think, therefore I am.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think

Please don't. It hurts too much.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

The quote is, I think, therefore I am.

Actually, the basis of that theory, is the doubt.

[LemonJam]

I've thought about this a couple of times, it's an interesting theory.

[Scarlett.]

We dont know anything, we cant prove we really 'exist' (how we comprehend it anyway)

[Niamh.]

lol, these types of discussion are completely endless and unresolvable lol

[Patrick]

I belive Im the only important person in this world,

I belive when I die your all ****ed,

I belive this is my TV Show and your`ll all Co Stars/Extras

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I belive Im the only important person in this world,

I belive when I die your all ****ed,

I belive this is my TV Show and your`ll all Co Stars/Extras

I believe you are a tool.

[InOne]

Well you might think you are typing in this thread, but you might be part of someones dream.