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Old 21-01-2010, 08:57 AM #1
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Ive been having a bit of a debate with the guys at work about the whole name and shame thing for convicted criminals. We found this: http://www.theratbook.com over the weekend, it looks like somebody has gone to alot of trouble putting it together. I personally believe that naming and shaming criminals in the press is a good thing, because it serves a number of benefits;
  • Should discourage criminals from committing the crime - once their name is out they cannot hide
  • Means that people (parents in particular) can protect themselves from dangerous people
However - some of the guys at work keep going on about vigilante threats, and people taking the law into their own hands. From what Ive seen, this is almost an urban myth (other than the occasional pediatrician having a brick thrown through their window...although I wonder did that ever even happen??).

What does everybody else think? Is naming and shaming right or wrong?
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Well, for peadophiles and other dangerous criminals, I would say absolutely. I can see your friends point on the vigilante threat but, especially when it comes to peadophiles, Innocent childrens safety comes before dangerous criminals in my eyes.
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The one thing the UK would benefit from is a public sex offenders registry. America has one. You can simply type in your address and view all the sex offenders in the area. Yet the government here seem to want to protect THEM and not US or our children.
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The one thing the UK would benefit from is a public sex offenders registry. America has one. You can simply type in your address and view all the sex offenders in the area. Yet the government here seem to want to protect THEM and not US or our children.
Exactly, it's crazy!! I mean if they don't want to be on the registry don't do the crime......................simple.
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Thing is, there is no level of "sex offence". Once you're on that registry, your life is screwed basically. Some people are put on the register for simply pissing in public. And unless there is that information, you're not going to know who is a paedophile and rapist and who went for a piss behind a building on a drunken night out.
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Thing is, there is no level of "sex offence". Once you're on that registry, your life is screwed basically. Some people are put on the register for simply pissing in public. And unless there is that information, you're not going to know who is a paedophile and rapist and who went for a piss behind a building on a drunken night out.
Really? How can taking a piss be classed as a sex offence?? lol

Yeah obviously that would have to be sorted out
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Really? How can taking a piss be classed as a sex offence?? lol

Yeah obviously that would have to be sorted out
Because the offender exposed themselves, lol. It's very ****ed up.
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The beginnings of a police state darlings.... that's what all this named and shamed will eventually lead to.
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The beginnings of a police state darlings.... that's what all this named and shamed will eventually lead to.
Nah, if it's people who are a danger to children they should be named. Most paedophiles re offend so kids need to be protected
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Nah, if it's people who are a danger to children they should be named. Most paedophiles re offend so kids need to be protected
You have to eliminate emotion from this and think about it in a different way. The best policy for any state to adapt when trying to control it's citizens is to keep them in a perpetual state of fear or anxiety which makes it far easier for them to introduce drastic changes that curtail our freedom. That's all that this whole paedo thing is ultimately about. You don't think paedo's existed hundreds of years ago? You think it's a modern day phenomenon? They want to misdirect you with this fear mongering so that they can go about and brainwash you into apathy when it concerns radical changes that encroach upon your rights. I'm telling you, they do it all the time.
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You have to eliminate emotion from this and think about it in a different way. The best policy for any state to adapt when trying to control it's citizens is to keep them in a perpetual state of fear or anxiety which makes it far easier for them to introduce drastic changes that curtail our freedom. That's all that this whole paedo thing is ultimately about. You don't think paedo's existed hundreds of years ago? You think it's a modern day phenomenon? They want to misdirect you with this fear mongering so that they can go about and brainwash you into apathy when it concerns radical changes that encroach upon your rights. I'm telling you, they do it all the time.
Of course it happened years ago, I'm not stupid. And fear that my kids aren't safe is my feeling along with every other parent, aunt,uncle etc.
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Of course it happened years ago, I'm not stupid. And fear that my kids aren't safe is my feeling along with every other parent, aunt,uncle etc.
But sure every parent throughout time has felt like that. This really doesn't change things in the slightest, except for adding additional fear and anxiety into society.
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The beginnings of a police state darlings.... that's what all this named and shamed will eventually lead to.
I think the beginnings of a police state happened long long ago!!!
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As it is a sexual proclivity crime, and sex drive is a powerful persuader, I think that if convicted twice they should be castrated. naming them would result in violence.
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As it is a sexual proclivity crime, and sex drive is a powerful persuader, I think that if convicted twice they should be castrated. naming them would result in violence.
Castration is a better solution, you're right LT
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No they should be placed in specialist secure units and only released if they are considered by a large panel of experts to no longer be a danger to children...chemical castration, therapy, lie detectors etc should all be used
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Well they do have a level of risk system in the UK. Sometimes it has worked sometimes it hasn't. The News of The World did 'Name and Shame' thing some years ago - it went horribly wrong. It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile. Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting. Believe or not some do want help, not alot but some. It is a compulsion, and no matter what list, or what level of risk they are on, they would most likely still do it. I believe they should be put in secure units, and also should be studied to find the early warning signs. Beating the up on some street won't get you anywhere, there is always more going to be born. So it may be to late to save a child or something, but work on saving children of the present and future.
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Excellent and sensible response........The problem with naming and shaming is that there are even sicker people out there that will want to take the law into there own hands......And in some cases make a wrong identity and put in danger or harm an innocent person.......
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The problem with naming and shaming is that there are even sicker people out there that will want to take the law into there own hands......

Do you consider physical violence to a grown man, to be more sick than the sexual abuse a young child?
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Do you consider physical violence to a grown man, to be more sick than the sexual abuse a young child?

Physical violence can kill so yes.,.......And if its an innocent person then yes they are worse than paedo's.......
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Didn't the Sun do this years ago and end up putting a number of innocent people in danger?
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