[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

woke up this morning and 2 deaths have been linked to this drug? we do have to wait for fall farcts to come out as i am hearing one of them was on methdone the heroin substitute and he might have had a leathal reaction to both drugs.

this meowmeow dose not sound pleasent and my advice would be stay well clear.



Joes advice on meow meow



2 deaths have now opened the debate,

to the inventors and distributors i have to congratulate.

your brand is now in a catapult,

and it being on the news will for sure cause revolt.

its a tricky name and sounds like the heroin substitute,

more confusion around this substance is a guarantee it will pollute.

its made from a plant fertilizer and that's on sale,

what is the profit when its transformed and a kilos put on the scale.

its the tip of the iceberg and the damage is not known,

but just like snorting cocaine, your insides will be blown.

dealers are not providing a service, its all about the lute,

and once they start cutting it, contamination will be the new dispute.

the joe will offer advice and this is a free rap,

don't go near methadrome - meow meow, don't fall in any drug trap.

[Crimson Dynamo]

34 people die every day from either alcohol or in a road accident.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

34 people die every day from either alcohol or in a road accident.

Fact No 47 from the LT book of facts - so you know it must be true

[rapunza1977]

i think you would be pretty bonkers to 'try' any drug

misery misery misery

[rapunza1977]

well that said, I am partial to the odd marlboro light and glass of pinot grigio ...............

[GypsyGoth]

Never heard of it and wouldn't try it.

[Stu]

You know it's got nothing to actually do with plant feeder, right? They just pass it off as plant feeder to get away with selling it.

[Beso]

sounds dirty, it needs a fancy name like exstacy has.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

You know it's got nothing to actually do with plant feeder, right? They just pass it off as plant feeder to get away with selling it.

Because it is plant feeder otherwise they can get done under the trade descriptions act.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Because it is plant feeder otherwise they can get done under the trade descriptions act.

Plant feeder in name only. It's got nothing to do with plant feeder though. It's like saying booze must be a floor cleaner because it's sold as such in a reverse situation.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Plant feeder in name only. It's got nothing to do with plant feeder though. It's like saying booze must be a floor cleaner because it's sold as such in a reverse situation.

But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.

No, you can't use it to feed plants. You try giving Mephedrone to plants. I have been around this stuff for about two years. I know some of the people behind Cork's head shops.

None of this stuff has any application whatsoever as anything but drugs.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

But you can use it to feed plants. Hence they get away with selling it as plant feeder. Booze doesn't clean your floor, so they don't sell it as that. If they did they could be prosecuted.

I suppose if you used miniscule amounts of it, to a lot of water you could, but the same could be said for any chemical product.

It is sold as a plant food to get round legislation in the UK, its also sold as an experimental research chemical. It gets round both food and drug laws by being hailed as a plant food, and not for human consumption.

Obviously the people who sell it will use the plant food claim to use the loopholes in the existing laws, do you honestly believe it is a plant food, if you do have a look on the net for any reputable gardening sites that advocate its use. Also next time you are in homebase have a look and see if its on the shelves there.

[*mazedsalv**]

Nope.
Im quite a healthy person as things go. I dont smoke or do drugs.
I have the ocassional cigar (only had it three times ever).

And I drink probably right now, on average 3/4 times a month.

I would never try any drug. Ok, I have tried weed once, horrible, dont get why its so overrated.

[Stu]

No, I am not getting anything wrong. You are. It cannot be used as plant food. That's a fact. It has no application whatsoever other than as a drug for human consumption.

Have you found a source yet?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

No, I am not getting anything wrong. You are. It cannot be used as plant food. That's a fact. It has no application whatsoever other than as a drug for human consumption.

Have you found a source yet?

It was mentioned on the news.

Have you got a source to say it can't be used?

[arista]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=133158&page=2

Yes it is Deadly most made in Corrupt China.

And now another Death confirmed from the Meth Legal Drug.

[Stu]

It's not methamphetamine ...

[Stu]

Yes. Pharmacological common sense. Besides which it's not up to me to prove a negative. Mentioned on the news is not a source. Virtually all the media outlets seem to think it's plant feeder. It's not. It would not be the first time the media got drugs wrong.

Plants do not need methylmethcathinone. They have no dopamine receptors. Mephedrone synthesis is done with the aim of activating these receptors to induce euphoria, alterness and empathy. Plants cannot be euphoric, alert or emphatic. It will do absoloutely nothing for a plant. Nothing.

It's not plant food. It's just not. It has no working mechanism that makes it viable as a source of nutrients for plants. 'Hearing it on the news' is not an argument to fall back on.

[Tom]

I'm sure you'd be falling back on the argument if you heard it can't be used as plant food. Common sense isn't a black and white source either.

[Stu]

Common sense, experience of use, industry knowledge and pharmacological facts are not viable sources but hearing something on da newz is?

Let go of those straws for christ sake. It cannot be used as plant food.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Common sense, experience of use, industry knowledge and pharmacological facts are not viable sources but hearing something on da newz is?

Let go of those straws for christ sake. It cannot be used as plant food.

You ought to let go on your own straws then.

Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind

Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants

Industry knowledge is always refutable.

What pharmacological facts?

Do you have any black and white proof?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

You ought to let go on your own straws then.

Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind

Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants

Industry knowledge is always refutable.

What pharmacological facts?

Do you have any black and white proof?

Type in mephedrone into google and find one reputable source for its use as plant food, not just some site selling it claiming it to be plant food. Most of which incidentally also sell other legal highs under various other disguises.

Find one gardening site that advocates its use.

You wont, because its a ploy by the manufacturers to get round drugs laws and food laws, the gardening Industry does not have a regulatory body, therefore anyone can call anything plant food, Health and Safety and COSHH govern removals from sale.

The duck you are talking about doesnt quack nor does it float on water in fact its a yellow brick, sorry to burst your balloon.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

You ought to let go on your own straws then.

Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind

Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants

Industry knowledge is always refutable.

What pharmacological facts?

Do you have any black and white proof?

My experience is seeing others use it, as well as knowing people who work in head shops and who deal in research chemicals.

I have already given you pharmacological facts. The drug is classed as a stimulant of the human central nervous system. It's synthesis involves adding 4-methylpropiophenone to bromine, a lot of tinkering I won't bore you with, and adding methylamine hydrochloride and triethylamine. From the ground up it's synthesis is intended to produce a drug of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone variety.

It is a drug that targets the brains neurotransmitter Dopmine. That's what it was designed for. Plants don't have dopamine receptors or neurotransmitters, or any possible faculty that Mephedrone could attack in order to stimulate it's growth.

In addition, Mephedrone is not contained in any true plant product. Mephedrone is not sold in any legit gardening store. A search for Mephedrone on Google delivers 1,200,000 results. None discussing it's virtues as plant feeder. If it's discussed on a forum, it's a drug forum. Not a gardening forum. Wikipedia mentions nothing of it ever being used as a plant growth accelerant. Nor does Drugs Forum. Nor does Erowid. Nor does any other trusted drug website.

In addition, it's simply not up to me to prove a negative. It's like me asking you for proof that chopping up a carrot, feeding it to your dog, collecting the shit and smearing it on your face won't prevent lung cancer. If the onus is anyone to deliver proof, it's you.

So far, as accomodating as I have been with my arguments, you have not returned the favour. Your only source is watching a nameless news broadcast. The same news channel that was misguided just like you were as to the correct application of Mephedrone. It would be far from the first time a news channel has gotten the wrong end of the stick with relation to legal highs.

Mephedrone is a young chemical, synthesized by cladestine chemists with the sole purpose of getting you high. If it were to be used as plant food primarily, with the additional possible benefit of being able to use it as a psychotropic drug, it would be for sale in gardening stores. People would use it to accelerate plant growth. It would be produced by legit, contactable companies who would feel no need to work in such a cloak and dagger fashion. But none of this is the case.

Why? Because Mephedrone cannot be used as fucking plant food.

[xDramatick]

Eh, personally I don't do anything so no, I haven't, but I know a lot of people who have.