[arista]

Who the Hell do they think they are,
They break all the Rules and get the Yanks backing them.

"At least 10 pro-Palestinian activists were killed and dozens
injured in a battle at sea with Israeli naval commandos today,
sparking an international diplomatic crisis and the prospect
of angry demonstrations across Israel, the Palestinian territories, Turkey and beyond."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-flotilla-gaza



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ship-Gaza.html


Sign Of The Times.

[Harry!]

Oh dear not looking good over there at the moment.

[ILoveTRW]

Israel ftw

[InOne]

They're both as bad as eachother.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

They're both as bad as eachother.

Turkey has Nothing to do with this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

is this about Eurovision?

[Shaun]

gaaah. If Palestine/Lebanon/another muslim nation had done this to Israel the west would have been up in arms...

I mean sure, Israel's under fire from a lot of religious nutters (see: Ahmedinejad) but they're really about as innocent as a fox in a coop.

[Spike]

I dislike Israel, the only reason countries hold back is because The USA back Israel.

[InOne]

So much hate passed down from generation to generation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

So much hate passed down from generation to generation.

Each have a good argument and can fully justify what they do in a logical way. The only solution is total forgiveness.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Each have a good argument and can fully justify what they do in a logical way. The only solution is total forgiveness.

Which of course will never happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Which of course will never happen.

ask ourselves if we forgive when we have been wronged?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ask ourselves if we forgive when we have been wronged?

I think it's gone beyond that with them.

[Angus]

Israel will always have US backing, since they are the strategic proxy presence in the Middle East protecting US oil interests. It has nothing to do with the Jewish lobby in senate as many people believe - in fact it's the Democrats who attract the greatest amount of Jewish votes, YET it's the Republicans who have traditionally backed the Israelis. So long as there are massive oil reserves to be fought over, USA will continue to support the Israelis, whatever they might do.

The USA never do anything altruistically, there is always a massive element of self-interest.

[arista]

Lauren Booth just Live on SkyNewsHD
was most angry outside the London Israeli Embassy
she said Sweden has Got rid of the Embassy staff
the UK must do the same.

[BB_Eye]

How can anybody say they're as bad as eachother?

It was not enough that Israel was set up illegally as a nation and forcibly drove Palestinians from their homes into those tiny ghettos known as the Gaza strip (an area smaller than the size of Newcastle) and the West Bank. They couldn't even stick to the UN partition and when Palestinians reacted, Israel bombed the shit out of their civilians and they justify the existence of their racist regime by labelling the Palestinians terrorists.

Modern day apartheid.

[BrooklynFan]

Hello??? Israeli soldiers first radioed the ships and told them to stop entering Gaza as tehre is a blockade there, as Hamas, a terrorist organization, has taken over it. the flotilla ignored them and continued on to Gaza. Israeli soldiers then entered the ship and were attacked by knives, metal bars and live fire. Ony then did the soldiers begin shooting TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. why, why, why is middle east press coverage ALWAYS biased and one-sided???

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by BrooklynFan

Hello??? Israeli soldiers first radioed the ships and told them to stop entering Gaza as tehre is a blockade there, as Hamas, a terrorist organization, has taken over it. the flotilla ignored them and continued on to Gaza. Israeli soldiers then entered the ship and were attacked by knives, metal bars and live fire. Ony then did the soldiers begin shooting TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. why, why, why is middle east press coverage ALWAYS biased and one-sided???

This is just the Israeli Defense Force's spin on the story and even they admit they were blocking foreign aid.

[BrooklynFan]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

This is just the Israeli Defense Force's spin on the story and even they admit they were blocking foreign aid.

Prime example of the one-sided media. The way this is being reported is how the pro-palestinians are spinning it

You dont enter a blockade and expect to go in smooth sailing! Youre asked to stop, you STOP. you dont start shooting and knifing the soldiers.

Ther's a REASON there's a blockade. and weapons are being smuggled on these 'innocent aide' ships.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by BrooklynFan

Prime example of the one-sided media. The way this is being reported is how the pro-palestinians are spinning it

You dont enter a blockade and expect to go in smooth sailing! Youre asked to stop, you STOP. you dont start shooting and knifing the soldiers.

Ther's a REASON there's a blockade. and weapons are being smuggled on these 'innocent aide' ships.

They were in international waters. Israel has no jurisdiction.

Oh and btw, they're in an Isreli port now. Have the Israelis found any weapons?

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

This is just the Israeli Defense Force's spin on the story

Not true at all.

And we all know these "peace convoys"....

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Not true at all.

And we all know these "peace convoys"....

Yup Mojo - now we can scuba into Medetterean and find parts of well tapping stuff and **** to help people - boat now is full of AK-47s courtesy of Isreeli attack planted MOSAD RULES

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Yup Mojo - now we can scuba into Medetterean and find parts of well tapping stuff and **** to help people - boat now is full of AK-47s courtesy of Isreeli attack planted MOSAD RULES

I was not saying that there were guns on that ship, but you know what they were heading to.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by BrooklynFan

Hello??? Israeli soldiers first radioed the ships and told them to stop entering Gaza as tehre is a blockade there, as Hamas, a terrorist organization, has taken over it. the flotilla ignored them and continued on to Gaza. Israeli soldiers then entered the ship and were attacked by knives, metal bars and live fire. Ony then did the soldiers begin shooting TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. why, why, why is middle east press coverage ALWAYS biased and one-sided???

Even though we may not know every detail about this incident I would say that overall the previous incidents suggest you are correct.
Meaning - it was self-defense.

Let me make this clear - I am NOT in love with Israel or running around arguing for them as my 'team'.
I may not even like Israel,
and,
I want to sympathize with any sincere hard-working Palestinian who is genuinely trying to live.

Problem.
Over and over again these incidents are NOT 'each is guilty' incidents but they are clearly Palestinian terrorists, murderers who absolutely can and will and often have INITIATED killings of innocent civilians.
Then,
What you see is the surprisingly measured and well executed RESPONSE in self-defense from the Israelis.

One of the MAIN REASONS for the Palestinian side losing my support is that they constantly think everyone else is so stupid as to fall for these contrived 'victim shows'.
This has sunk to lows of people KNOWING that Israeli soldiers are in an emergency search for a terrorist and yet popping their children up into windows in hopes the children is shot,
then,
howling in outrage to the media over how 'Israel killing innocent children' and then USING THAT as an excuse to blow up an Israeli boy next time around.
Its insulting to me.

People say 'well just imagine if Palestinians did this?'
Sure.
Here is the difference over and over:
- The Palestinians would go onto a bus full of innocent civilians and horrifically slaughter them for being Jews.

- The Jews then GO FIND those responsible and in an attempt to save future lives they will try their best to shoot and kill the people who planned it or will do it again.

IF people cannot see the difference then there is no hope anymore and nothing means anything.
Its not hard to see it.

Now.. I am NOT saying Israel is always right or doesn't screw up and I am not commenting on their policies here.
I'm talking about these types of incidents.

Sorry.. in a total political and social PoV I actually have my sympathies for Palestinians in general and as meaning the regular working people and families,
but,
As far as I can see this is another example where the Israelis are CLEARLY the good guys doing the correct thing AND it will ultimately save innocent lives and stopped people who are clearly in the wrong.

Of course we will follow the story here to see more.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Even though we may not know every detail about this incident I would say that overall the previous incidents suggest you are correct.
Meaning - it was self-defense.

Let me make this clear - I am NOT in love with Israel or running around arguing for them as my 'team'.
I may not even like Israel,
and,
I want to sympathize with any sincere hard-working Palestinian who is genuinely trying to live.

Problem.
Over and over again these incidents are NOT 'each is guilty' incidents but they are clearly Palestinian terrorists, murderers who absolutely can and will and often have INITIATED killings of innocent civilians.
Then,
What you see is the surprisingly measured and well executed RESPONSE in self-defense from the Israelis.

One of the MAIN REASONS for the Palestinian side losing my support is that they constantly think everyone else is so stupid as to fall for these contrived 'victim shows'.
This has sunk to lows of people KNOWING that Israeli soldiers are in an emergency search for a terrorist and yet popping their children up into windows in hopes the children is shot,
then,
howling in outrage to the media over how 'Israel killing innocent children' and then USING THAT as an excuse to blow up an Israeli boy next time around.
Its insulting to me.

People say 'well just imagine if Palestinians did this?'
Sure.
Here is the difference over and over:
- The Palestinians would go onto a bus full of innocent civilians and horrifically slaughter them for being Jews.

- The Jews then GO FIND those responsible and in an attempt to save future lives they will try their best to shoot and kill the people who planned it or will do it again.

IF people cannot see the difference then there is no hope anymore and nothing means anything.
Its not hard to see it.

Now.. I am NOT saying Israel is always right or doesn't screw up and I am not commenting on their policies here.
I'm talking about these types of incidents.

Sorry.. in a total political and social PoV I actually have my sympathies for Palestinians in general and as meaning the regular working people and families,
but,
As far as I can see this is another example where the Israelis are CLEARLY the good guys doing the correct thing AND it will ultimately save innocent lives and stopped people who are clearly in the wrong.

Of course we will follow the story here to see more.

I agree. The only thing that annoys me is the 'Muslim outrage' that will probably hit the UK. And they basically use the 'protests' to insult anyone who is not a muslim. And we let them.