[PantherBlack]

imo John James had/has nothing to say sorry for in regards to Rachel. Sure, they argued, she stood her ground, he stood his.

I find the whole gender issue raised by Josie, Corin and even Davina (during the interview) to be total BS.

I've been watching John James since the start and he pretty much stands his ground and argues with anyone, and this whole 'he only argues with women' is crap.

Also, why should a woman get special treatment?

When Josie said, (words to the effect of): ''You shouldn't argue with women John, be a gentleman''.

He SHOULD have replied, ''Well women shouldn't argue either, as it's not very ladylike''.

If only he had the intellect to make such a response. Sadly, he was too stupid to.

[LaLaLand]

It's not the fact she's a woman really, it's that he said something EXTREMELY degrading and offensive.

It's like her saying to him "I bet you'd shag Josie if she paid you", it's still very, very offensive.

I guess the fact she's a woman doesn't help really but imo gender doesn't matter this time.

[30stone]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

It's not the fact she's a woman really, it's that he said something EXTREMELY degrading and offensive.

It's like her saying to him "I bet you'd shag Josie if she paid you", it's still very, very offensive.

I guess the fact she's a woman doesn't help really but imo gender doesn't matter this time.

No he said the only thing you wouldnt do is have sex for money..

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 30stone

No he said the only thing you wouldnt do is have sex for money..

which leaves room for tons of other stuff! It was certainly meant as a huge insult. That much we can all agree on.

[30stone]

Originally Posted by Zippy

which leaves room for tons of other stuff! It was certainly meant as a huge insult. That much we can all agree on.

Of course i was just pointing out the mistake though..

Anyway lets be honest, she would do a lot for money no doubt lol.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 30stone

Anyway lets be honest, she would do a lot for money no doubt lol.

I actually disagree. Honestly.

A woman who looks the spit of Beyonce like her would have had all kinds of offers by now. She has been working internationally as a Beyonce lookalike. No doubt numerous people have contacted to do all kinds of sexy, risky stuff. Bet she's been offered money for sex a few times too.

But the fact that NOTHING came out about her that was shameful in the press just shows she has lived a clean and decent life.

Still she hasnt gone naked. She wouldve taken the offers while BB was still airing if she intended to do so. Bigger money now than later when its off air.

So I think all of this proves you AND John James wrong. The girl clearly has a line she will not cross. I totally believed her when she said that she's turned down lots of offers. She's never been caught out in a lie. Unlike John James!

[tuesday1962]

It really amazes me that John James fans still thinks that he can do no wrong.

I personally think that John James would have been fairly surprised that Rachael had said very little to the press of John James's treatment of her, considering that he thought that Rachael would do anything for media attention or money.

The fact that Rachael stayed clear of exploiting that angle and basically got on with her life is a credit to her and further shows that she has no need or use to profit from another person’s fortune or in John James case misfortune.

That fact that Rachael was unable to get out of her contract for the returnable task which she had to argue to get it amended so that she was to give rather than received a massage from John James speak volumes in itself.

The fact that what John James said in the task room and then repeated in full bragging mode to the rest of the housemates what he truly meant by saying it stunned and appalled most of them that he would go.

The fact that Rachael declined/refused to appear on BBBM after he got evicted to cause John James further embarrassment to him or his family is more telling how she wouldn’t go beyond the bounds of common decency to beg for or expect his apology as it probably would be a hollow one and just for the cameras.

Like most of the housemates who were expecting this was going to be one of the happiest, fun fill enjoyment and experience and of their lives until they had the misfortune to be in the same house with John James. I felt Rachael’s experience was totally ruined by John James as direct result of treatment towards her and imo an apology to her is long overdue.

John James has proven to be a hypocrite and I hope he disappears quite quickly from memory too.

[Sammi_Who]

Originally Posted by tuesday1962

It really amazes me that John James fans still thinks that he can do no wrong.

I personally think that John James would have been fairly surprised that Rachael had said very little to the press of John James's treatment of her, considering that he thought that Rachael would do anything for media attention or money.

The fact that Rachael stayed clear of exploiting that angle and basically got on with her life is a credit to her and further shows that she has no need or use to profit from another person’s fortune or in John James case misfortune.

That fact that Rachael was unable to get out of her contract for the returnable task which she had to argue to get it amended so that she was to give rather than received a massage from John James speak volumes in itself.

The fact that what John James said in the task room and then repeated in full bragging mode to the rest of the housemates what he truly meant by saying it stunned and appalled most of them that he would go.

The fact that Rachael declined/refused to appear on BBBM after he got evicted to cause John James further embarrassment to him or his family is more telling how she wouldn’t go beyond the bounds of common decency to beg for or expect his apology as it probably would be a hollow one and just for the cameras.

Like most of the housemates who were expecting this was going to be one of the happiest, fun fill enjoyment and experience and of their lives until they had the misfortune to be in the same house with John James. I felt Rachael’s experience was totally ruined by John James as direct result of treatment towards her and imo an apology to her is long overdue.
John James has proven to be a hypocrite and I hope he disappears quite quickly from memory too.

I agree, he ruined Corin's too.

I think Davina was right when she said Corin underestimated JJs fans, and how he could do no wrong in their eyes. They voted her out, and Racheal too. It was quite disgusting to see all both women did "wrong" was be at the recieving end of his angry rant fueled bullying. Its ridiculous. We've moved from the "fit" guy being able to sail through to the final on looks, to pretty much bullying

[zukhov]

Didn't he say ' the only thing you would not do for money is shag someone' ? or worlds to that effect. where was the insult? He literally said she was not a *****. To Rachel 1 thats more like a compliment.

[Wee-Mo]

Originally Posted by zukhov

Didn't he say ' the only thing you would not do for money is shag someone' ? or worlds to that effect. where was the insult? He literally said she was not a *****. To Rachel 1 thats more like a compliment.

Spot on but the corin fans and JJ haters just had to jump on him Rachel started on JJ as soon as he went into the room just because he did not fancy her she was p'd off with him what a horrible bitch she was

[Julesuk]

Originally Posted by zukhov

Didn't he say ' the only thing you would not do for money is shag someone' ? or worlds to that effect. where was the insult? He literally said she was not a *****. To Rachel 1 thats more like a compliment.

that is what he said and your right I didnt really get why everyone went off on one, he was basically saying you would do anything but have sex for money. Referring to getting her kit off for the camera - which is her choice I know but some blokes find that degrading. Both there attitudes sucked but because shes the woman it must be the blokes fault - and Im a bloody woman

[stoney]

he should have apologised cos he was very nasty and totally in the wrong.

Remember he is the inmate that had told producers BEFORE coming into the house that he would do full nude shots for any gay mag that wants him to after the show, as long as he was allowed to photoshop his willy.
So its ok for him to go in the house with the intention of selling dirty pictures of himself after being evicted but none of the girls are allowed, in his world, to do any photoshoots on the back of being in there????

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by stoney

he should have apologised cos he was very nasty and totally in the wrong.

Remember he is the inmate that had told producers BEFORE coming into the house that he would do full nude shots for any gay mag that wants him to after the show, as long as he was allowed to photoshop his willy.
So its ok for him to go in the house with the intention of selling dirty pictures of himself after being evicted but none of the girls are allowed, in his world, to do any photoshoots on the back of being in there????

His whole time in the house was a lie. On BBBM he did not say No, when asked if he would do a photo shoot for a 6 figure sum. He said he would have to ask Josie.
That is why he is hanging around to make money out of Josie.
He attacked Rachael because she was good looking. He would not have given Josie a second glance if she was walking down a street in Melbourne.

[PantherBlack]

^ Stupid replies here and they don't really address the OP. Shameful.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by PantherBlack

^ Stupid replies here and they don't really address the OP. Shameful.

I think the replies addressed the OP's comments. Because they don't agree doesn't make them wrong.

John James is a spineless, ill-mannered, ill-bred little creep. If he had anything about him he would apologise for letting his smart mouth run away with him.

[Stacey.]

I'm on Rachael's side and everything but I agree. He shouldn't have to apologize.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

I'm on Rachael's side and everything but I agree. He shouldn't have to apologize.

ffs get off of John James's dick and actually have morals Stacey.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

ffs get off of John James's dick and actually have morals Stacey.

I do agree he went too far.. Rachael was my favourite the first week, I couldn't stand him actually.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

I'm on Rachael's side and everything but I agree. He shouldn't have to apologize.

Of course he should apologize if he has upset someone ,it's common decency.i was brought up that way anyway,but I know manners aren't too high on parents agendas today.

[Zippy]

He should apologise to Rachael for many things actually. She never did a single thing to him in BB. His comments during the massage were downright offensive and disgusting.

But if the OP still doesnt get it then I won't even waste my time explaining. I can only assume youre of the same mindset as the rude, scrawny mess himself. Ho hum.

[PantherBlack]

Originally Posted by Zippy

He should apologise to Rachael for many things actually. She never did a single thing to him in BB. His comments during the massage were downright offensive and disgusting.

But if the OP still doesnt get it then I won't even waste my time explaining. I can only assume youre of the same mindset as the rude, scrawny mess himself. Ho hum.

Why should HE apologise?

I am PROUD he was a real man and actually took her to task! Instead of sucking up to her in an attempt to get laid he stood his ground and wasn't impressed at her whole 'poor little woman' act (the first time round) and didn't cave in either this time when she was more assertive.

Good on John! Let's raise a pint in his honour!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by PantherBlack

Why should HE apologise?

I am PROUD he was a real man and actually took her to task! Instead of sucking up to her in an attempt to get laid he stood his ground and wasn't impressed at her whole 'poor little woman' act (the first time round) and didn't cave in either this time when she was more assertive.

Good on John! Let's raise a pint in his honour!

A real man?!!! LMFAO

Yeah he looked like a real man when he was cacking his pants and blubbing like a baby at the thought of Nathan coming after him for his comments! So what exactly was he afraid of if he didnt think he'd said anything offensive to her? Why were the whole house berating him for his comment?

Take her to task? Jesus christ, what is it with folk like you that thinks a good looking woman somehow has to justify herself? Are you effing serious?

Rachael doesnt have to justify herself to ANYBODY least of all a scrawny, nasty, issue riddled hypocritical LIAR like John James. He has about 86 faults of his own to sort out before he goes around rudely pointing out those of others! Who the fook does he think he is?

And reading your posts you certainly do seem to be of the same mindset so...I fail to care about your opinion frankly.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zippy

A real man?!!! LMFAO

Yeah he looked like a real man when he was cacking his pants and blubbing like a baby at the thought of Nathan coming after him for his comments! So what exactly was he afraid of if he didnt think he'd said anything offensive to her? Why were the whole house berating him for his comment?

Take her to task? Jesus christ, what is it with folk like you that thinks a good looking woman somehow has to justify herself? Are you effing serious?

Rachael doesnt have to justify herself to ANYBODY least of all a scrawny, nasty, issue riddled hypocritical LIAR like John James. He has about 86 faults of his own to sort out before he goes around rudely pointing out those of others! Who the fook does he think he is?

And reading your posts you certainly do seem to be of the same mindset so...I fail to care about your opinion frankly.

Perfectlly said - just to add that Crabby, himself couldn't wait to apologise when he realised Nathan was in the picture - if you're going to go round insulting people like you couldn't give a rip you should have the guts to stand up to your convictions not cack yourself when someone takes you task.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by PantherBlack

Why should HE apologise?

I am PROUD he was a real man and actually took her to task! Instead of sucking up to her in an attempt to get laid he stood his ground and wasn't impressed at her whole 'poor little woman' act (the first time round) and didn't cave in either this time when she was more assertive.

Good on John! Let's raise a pint in his honour!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zippy

He should apologise to Rachael for many things actually. She never did a single thing to him in BB. His comments during the massage were downright offensive and disgusting.

But if the OP still doesnt get it then I won't even waste my time explaining. I can only assume youre of the same mindset as the rude, scrawny mess himself. Ho hum.

i only think he should apologise to her for how he treated her in week 1 not when she came back imo.