[Angus]

The fact that this woman is an MP is beyond an outrage. She seems to think being a racist is a one way street so feels perfectly free to be as racist as she likes towards white folk. She recently made a speech saying that black people should be exempt from job cuts and calling for white males to be axed first when sweeping public sector savings are announced next week.

She also sends her son to a £12,500 a year private school because she doesn't want him to mix with the "wrong" type of black kid who might get him involved in gang culture. So she is not only a racist but a class bigot.

Glad to see she's been reported to the police for inciting racial hatred, but furious that they are not going to act on the complaint - typical double standards by this politically correct undemocracy we now live in. Imagine if a white person had made such remarks,about black people they would have felt the full force of the law.

The people inciting racial intolerance and hatred in this country are the government and the judiciary for not applying the same laws and rules to ALL transgressors.

[arista]

She is the Token Woman
in that 5 team trying to be leader.
She is just there to say New Labour like women or something.

[ElProximo]

As usual and once again those very people who claim for themselves titles of tolerance and claim to 'fight racism' turn out to be the worst kind of racists who most definitely do discriminate, prejudge and are filled with intolerance.
Most of these types like joining Labour or become Uni professors and a few get on with BBC, C4 etc.
Glad she was called out on it!

[BB_Eye]

She gives the Labour left a bad name. I wish John McDonnell had been made a candidate instead of her.

[InOne]

She is the type that thinks people today should apologize for the slave trade.

[AfroMullet]

Originally Posted by InOne

She is the type that thinks people today should apologize for the slave trade.

You should.

And she isnt racist, she hates on her own kind too, the sell out.

I say, Affirmative Action FTW.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

You should.
And she isnt racist, she hates on her own kind too, the sell out.

I say, Affirmative Action FTW.

Why?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

You should.

And she isnt racist, she hates on her own kind too, the sell out.

I say, Affirmative Action FTW.

Why? If we keep having to apologise how would we ever move on?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

You should.

And she isnt racist, she hates on her own kind too, the sell out.

I say, Affirmative Action FTW.

How on earth do you figure that?

Unless this was a sarcastic post, which I doubt.

Should 'we' apologize forever for something 'we' didnt actually do.

By we I mean the current generation.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How on earth do you figure that?

Unless this was a sarcastic post, which I doubt.

Should 'we' apologize forever for something 'we' didnt actually do.

By we I mean the current generation.

Perhaps we should demand an apology from Italy for the enslavement of Britain by the Romans; or the Israelites should demand restitution from the Egyptians for their enslavement? How about the role of African kings in the enslavement and selling on of their own people to Europeans for money and arms? People need to study the history of slavery to include ALL races and their involvement in the trade throughout history.

At some point in history nearly every nation has been conquered and/or enslaved by another nation. Slavery is iniquitous and abhorrent and is now IN THE PAST. I refuse to be held responsible for the sins of my forefathers - nor should I be asked to apologise for events that happened centuries ago. There were as many homegrown slaves in Britain in serfdom who were literally "owned" by wealthy landowners during the middle ages. Slavery is not something that just happened to Africans.

Slavery was made illegal in England in 1772, and throughout the British Empire in 1833 with the Abolition of Slavery Act. Surely it's time to move on.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How on earth do you figure that?

Unless this was a sarcastic post, which I doubt.

Should 'we' apologize forever for something 'we' didnt actually do.

By we I mean the current generation.

I guess the argument goes that a lot of the prosperity this country has enjoyed, and the reason for our country being the power it is was partly built on the back on slavery, and our generation should acknowledge that and show some remorse for that.

I dont necessarily agree, like Angus said if we are to apologise then surely the Romans should too, and even the Africans for their part in slavery, but I can see where people are coming from when they say we should.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I guess the argument goes that a lot of the prosperity this country has enjoyed, and the reason for our country being the power it is was partly built on the back on slavery, and our generation should acknowledge that and show some remorse for that.

Whatever benefits anyone enjoyed from the slave trade were regretted enough when something called the 'abolitionist movement' showed up and not only did they promptly put an end to that practice they soundly defeated slave-trading not just in the UK, the colonies, the USA but they went ahead and put an end to it everywhere on the planet!

Yes, most of the people who halted slavery were 'white people' from Christian churches organizations and movements but the fact is that the vast majority of people (of any stripe) promptly agreed with them too.

So you don't get more 'regret' than that. You can't get anymore regret than a nation who spots it, condemns it, promptly fights it until it is abolished and then bans it from happening again.

In the USA the 'apology' is quite stunning. thousands of tombstones of the men who died abolishing slavery in what became a civil war. I don't know what more regret you can get but men died for the cause.

But some things do become silly if we continue categorizing people into racial groups and then making them answer for what others in their 'race' did,
and,
as an example I just don't see where it becomes any kind of sense to ask Jews in the UK to 'apologize' because some Jews made big business in slave trading buying and shipping and selling etc.
Yes, I suppose in some way that wealth dispersed among other Jews (who may not have condoned anything),
but,
what are we supposed to do here? find a long gone Jewish slave-trade investor.. then calculate how he made x-pounds.. then calculate the earnings he made on that.. then calculate how much dispersed among Jews (family or friends) then trace their lineages showing how it enriched them....
...and eventually make Benjamin Cohen apologize on air?
Vanessa Feltz and Sharon Osbourne do a little apology advert between segments?
Stacy Solomon releases an apology video and would she give money to the black contestants as 'reparations'?
Half the money for the contestants who are half-black and half-white?

At some point you accept that Jewish slave-traders and Caucasian ones and the Black slave traders made money,
HOWEVER,
they were stopped, defeated and their earnings from that ended.
Now move on.
We won. We triumphed over them and now we don't need to go find their ancestors and calculate wealth % and make them apologize for something they too despise.

[LaLaLand]

I really don't like this woman, she's the type of person you'd love to smack. She's got a right ego on her hasn't she!

[Tom]

In all honesty none of the main people in the leadership race are right for it. Diana is just a stupid parody who seems like she belongs in a TV sketch show, the 2 Milibands have 'tory' written allover them, Ed Balls is just a mess and I can't even remember who the 5th one is. They might as well just keep Harriet 'WOMBAI' Harman as the leader, the gap has shortened considerably with her as the leader even though shes a nob

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Tom

In all honesty none of the main people in the leadership race are right for it. Diana is just a stupid parody who seems like she belongs in a TV sketch show, the 2 Milibands have 'tory' written allover them, Ed Balls is just a mess and I can't even remember who the 5th one is. They might as well just keep Harriet 'WOMBAI' Harman as the leader, the gap has shortened considerably with her as the leader even though shes a nob

Andy Burnham is the other one. Arch Blairite.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Tom

In all honesty none of the main people in the leadership race are right for it. Diana is just a stupid parody who seems like she belongs in a TV sketch show, the 2 Milibands have 'tory' written allover them, Ed Balls is just a mess and I can't even remember who the 5th one is. They might as well just keep Harriet 'WOMBAI' Harman as the leader, the gap has shortened considerably with her as the leader even though shes a nob

Yes Tom
Stinking New Labour is fecked.


Sign Of The Times.

[NettoSuperstar!]

As I thought...what she actually said is that the policy of last in first out could lead to a disproportionate amount of ethnic minorities losing jobs simply because they are new to the public sector...nothing whatsover about wanting white people out or Black people being exempt...I suggest reading a bit more widely than the BNP newsletter

[Angus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

As I thought...what she actually said is that the policy of last in first out could lead to a disproportionate amount of ethnic minorities losing jobs simply because they are new to the public sector...nothing whatsover about wanting white people out or Black people being exempt...I suggest reading a bit more widely than the BNP newsletter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNvJXjZpvk
Out of her own mouth - spin it how your like it is quite clear what she is saying, despite the usual politician's dissembling and disingenuity.

And how bloody dare you insinuate that I would read anything the vile BNP might have published? I'm interested in facts, and what I see and can hear for myself as in this case, not the propoganda distributed by fascists and extreme socialists.

By the way, you appear to have bypassed the point about her being a massive snob, since she clearly doesn't see any problem sending her son to a private school to avoid him coming in contact with common people, black and white.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPJ0...eature=related

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by angus58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJNvJXjZpvk
Out of her own mouth - spin it how your like it is quite clear what she is saying, despite the usual politician's dissembling and disingenuity.

And how bloody dare you insinuate that I would read anything the vile BNP might have published? I'm interested in facts, and what I see and can hear for myself as in this case, not the propoganda distributed by fascists and extreme socialists.

By the way, you appear to have bypassed the point about her being a massive snob, since she clearly doesn't see any problem sending her son to a private school to avoid him coming in contact with common people, black and white.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPJ0...eature=related

I dont have an issue with you calling her a massive snob, she is one! I took issue with you suggesting that she said black people should be exempt from job losses or that white people should lose jobs first. She said nothing of the sort, she made a valid point that current policy would see a DISPROPORTIONATE amount of minorities (and women) losing jobs and the public sector should be mindful of that...if your having trouble grasping that thats your look out

[Angus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I dont have an issue with you calling her a massive snob, she is one! I took issue with you suggesting that she said black people should be exempt from job losses or that white people should lose jobs first. She said nothing of the sort, she made a valid point that current policy would see a DISPROPORTIONATE amount of minorities (and women) losing jobs and the public sector should be mindful of that...if your having trouble grasping that thats your look out

I'm not the one having trouble grasping the facts of what she said! What does her "suggestion" to local councils about "being mindful" about who they sack mean in your world? Why should local councils have to "be mindful" whether a black person is sacked over a white person if the white person has been in post longer? The principle of last in, first out should apply as it does in every other field of employment - the public sector is no different, and those employed in the public sector, black or white, should expect no special treatment. We're talking about equality of treatment here, not bending the rules to fulfil quotas to satisfy some cockeyed notion of political correctness. This stupid woman signifies everything that is wrong with the muddleheaded, politically correct madness that has seeped into every area of our everyday lives but which, by some happy chance, never affects those who so rigorously enforce it.

She has rightly been castigated for making a racist comment, and certainly not for the first time. She has a reputation for doing so, apart from her also being a massive snob, who looks down her nose at certain sections of the black community she considers not good enough to mix with her precious son.

God forbid that a white MP had suggested that local councils "be mindful" about sacking white workers. Can you imagine the fall out from that happening? If YOU can't grasp that, then that's not my problem

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by angus58

I'm not the one having trouble grasping the facts of what she said! What does her "suggestion" to local councils about "being mindful" about who they sack mean in your world? Why should local councils have to "be mindful" whether a black person is sacked over a white person if the white person has been in post longer? The principle of last in, first out should apply as it does in every other field of employment - the public sector is no different, and those employed in the public sector, black or white, should expect no special treatment. We're talking about equality of treatment here, not bending the rules to fulfil quotas to satisfy some cockeyed notion of political correctness. This stupid woman signifies everything that is wrong with the muddleheaded, politically correct madness that has seeped into every area of our everyday lives but which, by some happy chance, never affects those who so rigorously enforce it.

She has rightly been castigated for making a racist comment, and certainly not for the first time. She has a reputation for doing so, apart from her also being a massive snob, who looks down her nose at certain sections of the black community she considers not good enough to mix with her precious son.

God forbid that a white MP had suggested that local councils "be mindful" about sacking white workers. Can you imagine the fall out from that happening? If YOU can't grasp that, then that's not my problem

Oh for gods sake...she said to be mindful of monitoring things are in proportion to the wider population....key word there PROPORTION, nothing about sacking white workers over black workers! I dont think theres anyway other than looking at current policy, no council is going to start sacking white people in order to get balance and thats not what anyone is suggesting, they might just need to look at a FAIRER way of doing things based on merit and not who came in first

[BB_Eye]

I should have asked for a source.

I still have misgivings about Diane Abbott though. She has a very adversarial style of speaking. Always pointscoring. The fact that she still seems more appealing than all the other candidates is a depressing indictment against her rivals.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I should have asked for a source.

I still have misgivings about Diane Abbott though. She has a very adversarial style of speaking. Always pointscoring. The fact that she still seems more appealing than all the other candidates is a depressing indictment against her rivals.

Shes only a token candidate anyway. We all know its David Milibands to lose. By getting a black woman, Labour are ticking 2 boxes in one go

[Angus]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I should have asked for a source.

I still have misgivings about Diane Abbott though. She has a very adversarial style of speaking. Always pointscoring. The fact that she still seems more appealing than all the other candidates is a depressing indictment against her rivals.

Do you not read the papers, watch the news, watch the political programmes in which she is actually SPEAKING and saying these things? Or do you simply rely on other people's opinions, especially extreme left wing idiots who will defend such crass racist hypocrisy simply because the perpetrator is black?
It is the likes of Dianne Abbot who pretend to be anti racist who are THE most racist people against white people. Racism is racism be it blacks to whites, or whites to blacks, there is no difference.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by angus58

Do you not read the papers, watch the news, watch the political programmes in which she is actually SPEAKING and saying these things? Or do you simply rely on other people's opinions, especially extreme left wing idiots who will defend such crass racist hypocrisy simply because the perpetrator is black?
It is the likes of Dianne Abbot who pretend to be anti racist who are THE most racist people against white people. Racism is racism be it blacks to whites, or whites to blacks, there is no difference.

I'm not a big newspaper reader, that much I'll admit. I dislike pretty much every major news publication. The Grauniad, the Daily Fail, the whole lot. But I know full well what the likes the Andy Burnham and the Miliband brothers represent. They are NuLab through and through would go to any lengths to keep the Labour party indistinguishible from the Tories. I also know that these five candidates were only selected because the Labour parties' grassroots membership has no say in who they want as leader and that it's the Blair and Brown cronies in the House of Commons making the decisions.

And no I don't listen to any old left wing loony. I disagree with ange7 on a lot of things, I hate the notion that we should compromise freedom of speech and make concessions to the sensitivities of religious groups and I think you know how I feel about the leniency of the criminal justice system.

I'm sorry, even after watching that video, I am still not convinced. She isn't calling for the sacking of white workers in the public sector. She is pointing out an unfortunate reality that these public sector cuts will bring about. That more recent public sector employees, particularly black women who, unlike many of their older white colleagues will lose out in this last-in-first-out mode of cost-cutting. She is not proposing any scheme to promote black workers to some sort of position of priviledge. Only proposing that it is monitored. Is that really so bad?