[Pyramid*]

But only to totally piss off Cowell and Cole.

the show is a sham now. Anyone with any talent will get a deal - that's a given, so the winning place really means nothing anymore.

For that reason: I want Wagner to win - I love watching C & C's faces every week that Wagner is announced to have made it through to the next week. Retribution at it's finest. You have to love it!!

[nanaimo]

if it was just to knock the smug puss off cheryls face

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

if it was just to knock the snug puss off cheryls face

Her face last week (and Cowell's as he looked over to her, giving her the 'WTF Wide rolling eyes look).... FAF !!!

More of the same this week please. Waiting to see their reactions is better than the show itself !!

[fruit_cake]

Wagner's rubbish why do you want him to win? so you can listen to him singing I don't think so

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Wagner's rubbish why do you want him to win? so you can listen to him singing I don't think so

Big step for a hint. The reason I want him to win is made VERY CLEAR in my opening post.

[tate]

he would never be allowed to win, Cowell would introduce something to ensure that if he is anywhere near the final couple of weeks!

I am wanting one of Danni's acts for the win, personally feel she is the better mentor, better judge plus that would also have the desired effect on smuggy cowell and cole

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by tate

he would never be allowed to win, Cowell would introduce something to ensure that if he is anywhere near the final couple of weeks!

I am wanting one of Danni's acts for the win, personally feel she is the better mentor, better judge plus that would also have the desired effect on smuggy cowell and cole

I like Dannii but she's not been doing any favours to Matt or Aiden lately IMO

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I like Dannii but she's not been doing any favours to Matt or Aiden lately IMO

Totally disagree, especially in respect of Aiden. His James Bond version was executed very well.

[GiRTh]

I like the idea of this. It would completely undermine the creditability of this so called 'talent' contest. King Simon does so much manipulation that's its about time the fans did something just to show him they, and not him, ultimately decide who wins.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I like the idea of this. It would completely undermine the creditability of this so called 'talent' contest. King Simon does so much manipulation that's its about time the fans did something just to show him they, and not him, ultimately decide who wins.

He created the show,no Simon no XFactor,imo.the idea imo is a bit spiteful.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He created the show,no Simon no XFactor,imo.the idea imo is a bit spiteful.

I agree the idea is spiteful, but what is also spiteful is that a talented singer like TreyC is clearly not getting a decent chance. She's given harder songs to sing than Golden girl Katie, her styling is horrendous and not surprisingly most people dont think she has any chance of winning. I feel more strongly about the way she's being treated than I would if Simons little games were undermined by a Wagner win.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I agree the idea is spiteful, but what is also spiteful is that a talented singer like TreyC is clearly not getting a decent chance. She's given harder songs to sing than Golden girl Katie, her styling is horrendous and not surprisingly most people dont think she has any chance of winning. I feel more strongly about the way she's being treated than I would if Simons little games were undermined by a Wagner win.

Trouble is though GiRTH,do you really think it would pee Simon off THAT much?he doesn't seem to care too much this year and i think that could be down to the protest last year of the XFactor number one,so imo it's already happening the voters are going to spoil it for everyone as it will just be pulled,I was also annoyed that the Cher and Katie were put through that shouldn't have been,surely it is THEM voters should be targetting,get them out,that would piss Simon and Cheryl off much more than anything else.Voters have their chance to show Simon and Cheryl WHO is in charge,but they are keeping the girls in!!for some reason.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Trouble is though GiRTH,do you really think it would pee Simon off THAT much?he doesn't seem to care too much this year and i think that could be down to the protest last year of the XFactor number one,so imo it's already happening the voters are going to spoil it for everyone as it will just be pulled,I was also annoyed that the Cher and Katie were put through that shouldn't have been,surely it is THEM voters should be targetting,get them out,that would piss Simon and Cheryl off much more than anything else.Voters have their chance to show Simon and Cheryl WHO is in charge,but they are keeping the girls in!!for some reason.

Totally agree. The two golden girls need to go to really get under Simon's skin, but I'd love it if Wagner won just to see what Simon would do with him.

Also, I'd be looking forward to next years auditions. Simon wouldn't be able to tell anyone they cant sing cuz then they'd simply point out that neither could Wagner and he won. It'd be great TV just to see him squirm.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Trouble is though GiRTH,do you really think it would pee Simon off THAT much?he doesn't seem to care too much this year and i think that could be down to the protest last year of the XFactor number one,so imo it's already happening the voters are going to spoil it for everyone as it will just be pulled,I was also annoyed that the Cher and Katie were put through that shouldn't have been,surely it is THEM voters should be targetting,get them out,that would piss Simon and Cheryl off much more than anything else.Voters have their chance to show Simon and Cheryl WHO is in charge,but they are keeping the girls in!!for some reason.

I do believe it would truly piss Cowell off, as the winner is given a record deal. If the winner is Wagner, Cowell would make little money. that's what the crux of it is all about - it's not about launching some soul to stardom anymore. That idea is long gone.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He created the show,no Simon no XFactor,imo.the idea imo is a bit spiteful.

I'll tell you what I think is spiteful. Cowell allowing Cole and Mini me to continue her crap 'rapping' week after week - with blatant disregard to the theme of the week.

What is spiteful is Cowell digging Danni who is paid to do a job, paid to judge and when she gives her honest opinion - he publically derides her for doing the very job he employs her on the show.

What also is spiteful is Ms Cole not allowing other judges to have their own opinion, to the point that a few week ago, Louis had to point out to her, that the show was not all about her, and that he was allowed an opinion.


What is spiteful is putting a selection of solo female singers together as a band, then when they feel a song is not the best choice for them, Cowell ignores them and puts all his energy into his other band - at the cost of having lost a girl band who, with the right direction, right mentoring: might still have been there.

It's no longer about the acts/contestants. It's about a war of the judges. The contestants are merely the judges playthings. Nothing more. To prove the point - the young lad who won years ago has been for 3 years, put on a back burner by Syco, the minute Leona Lewis came along.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'll tell you what I think is spiteful. Cowell allowing Cole and Mini me to continue her crap 'rapping' week after week - with blatant disregard to the theme of the week.

What is spiteful is Cowell digging Danni who is paid to do a job, paid to judge and when she gives her honest opinion - he publically derides her for doing the very job he employs her on the show.

What also is spiteful is Ms Cole not allowing other judges to have their own opinion, to the point that a few week ago, Louis had to point out to her, that the show was not all about her, and that he was allowed an opinion.


What is spiteful is putting a selection of solo female singers together as a band, then when they feel a song is not the best choice for them, Cowell ignores them and puts all his energy into his other band - at the cost of having lost a girl band who, with the right direction, right mentoring: might still have been there.

It's no longer about the acts/contestants. It's about a war of the judges. The contestants are merely the judges playthings. Nothing more. To prove the point - the young lad who won years ago has been for 3 years, put on a back burner by Syco, the minute Leona Lewis came along.

This.

[cub]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

To prove the point - the young lad who won years ago has been for 3 years, put on a back burner by Syco, the minute Leona Lewis came along.

Shayne Ward? He record's out very soon.

I'm not getting this 'on the back burner' for three years. His last album was three years ago. How long was his album before that? He's hardly prolific.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cub

Shayne Ward? He record's out very soon.

I'm not getting this 'on the back burner' for three years. His last album was three years ago. How long was his album before that? He's hardly prolific.

That is precisely my point. They didn't promote him. Proving that if Simon doesn't favour the person who wins, he will not promote them as well as he does others.

[tate]

i agree with that Fruitcake, I think she will turn it around though

With Aiden she has been keen to push his boundaries, not always working well for him but I do like that they will try something different occasionally

With Matt I think she has been so blinded by his falsetto range that she has promoted that ... but time for a change as he is turning in to a 1 trick pony and as my fave i would love to see him do something more uptempo and see a little personality out of the lad

It will be interesting to see their song choices this week (still nothing confirmed on these 2) but i hope she has a better week for them

[cub]

Imagine Wagner winning XF and Anne Widdecombe winning SCD!

[Yuna]

Waggy's so gonna take the cake!!!

[GiRTh]

Robbie Williams and Chris Moyles want Wagner to win. LOL

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

But only to totally piss off Cowell and Cole.

the show is a sham now. Anyone with any talent will get a deal - that's a given, so the winning place really means nothing anymore.

For that reason: I want Wagner to win - I love watching C & C's faces every week that Wagner is announced to have made it through to the next week. Retribution at it's finest. You have to love it!!

I can't agree with that Pyramid,The Xfactor may aswell finish altogether if people are just going to vote to piss people off,I'de like Matt to win as i think he deserves to and why should his dream be spoilt because of voters trying to piss people off?The good ones may well get a deal,but it is still not the same as winning is it?I enjoy The XFactor and would hate it to finish like this.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I can't agree with that Pyramid,The Xfactor may aswell finish altogether if people are just going to vote to piss people off,I'de like Matt to win as i think he deserves to and why should his dream be spoilt because of voters trying to piss people off?The good ones may well get a deal,but it is still not the same as winning is it?I enjoy The XFactor and would hate it to finish like this.

I dont agree at all. The shows already a farce. It became a farce when Cheryl put thru two singers who didnt even sing. The judges know who they want to win and they're clearly giving them preferential treatment. Simon needs a reality check to stop this farce and go back to an actual 'talent' contest. Wagner winning would certainly give him something to think about regarding the direction his showing is going.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I can't agree with that Pyramid,The Xfactor may aswell finish altogether if people are just going to vote to piss people off,I'de like Matt to win as i think he deserves to and why should his dream be spoilt because of voters trying to piss people off?The good ones may well get a deal,but it is still not the same as winning is it?I enjoy The XFactor and would hate it to finish like this.

Did you agree at the boot camp stage that 2 females, who broke down in tears, couldn't perform in front of 2 people, and could not sign - that they should have been chosen over those who were able to perform, and perform well?

I didn't and as soon as that judgement was made, it pretty much showed that the judges will abandon all the rules to suit themselves. The show was killed for me there and then I'm afraid.