[Kizzy]

Get the popcorn ready! our illustrious leader is making his closing speech at the conservative party conference.
Will he be able to top Ed Millibands stellar performance?

[Kazanne]

Well if you think Millibands was a stellar performance ,you will be really spoilt today Kizzy,you will see how a PM should speak,he will NOT be out to please everyone,he will not steal someone elses lines,infact he will tell you it's 'sink or swim' and the truth is always unpopular,he will quite rightly be wiping the floor with who was it again?oh yes,MillibandBring it on Mr Cameron

[Kizzy]

Sink or swim, interesting choice of words kezanne..
Daves mate George was selling lifejackets to those who could afford them during the budget.
HMS NHS is sinking as the rats have sold all the lifeboats too!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Get the popcorn ready! our illustrious leader is making his closing speech at the conservative party conference.

I can't be bothered - he talks the most utter rubbish - yesterday he said that the government hadn't made any u-turns .....

All I heard was ""Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, no, but" with an Eton accent .....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Omah

I can't be bothered - he talks the most utter rubbish - yesterday he said that the government hadn't made any u-turns .....

All I heard was ""Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, no, but" with an Eton accent .....

Well you wont be commenting on this then i take it

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well you wont be commenting on this then i take it

No ..... not interested in tory-talk .....

[Kizzy]

Of course he did Omah, thats the tory way deny everything and keep your head down when exposed till the dust settles wheres wally stylee, btw has anyone spotted Andrew Mitchell lately?

[Kizzy]

On now...

[Kazanne]

And may i say talking perfect sense to those who dont want owt for nowt

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kazanne

And may i say talking perfect sense to those who dont want owt for nowt

In a nutshell... this.

[chuff me dizzy]

I cannot bear to look or listen to him

[Kazanne]

What great speech,Cameron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Millipede

[Kizzy]

As I suspected bash the hell out of benefit claimants and teaching unions, that was the long and the short of it.
Sink or swim, basically cutting adrift a huge section of society.
95% morgages in an unstable economy? A lack of social housing so he advocates the sale of remaining stock!
Capping housing benefit not greedy landlords charging exxtortionate rents for substandard accomodation....
No word on the police.
Publically humiliating Liverpool council suggesting they are in some way responsible for the loss of industry, without any explanation as to the ethics of the proposal.
A piss poor cluching at straws speech by a PM who knows his days are numbered.

[Livia]

Yes I thought it was a great speech too. Especially the bit where he reminded everyone who spent all the money and put us in the position we're in. Hard to argue with that... but of course, Labour supporters will try.

[joeysteele]

I am a bit disappointed if I am honest, I hoped to hear some words of change and compassion and found very little there.

It was largely a continuance of the 2010 election campaign,I agree hard decisions had to be taken and still need to be, he has however in my opinion,( and I don't really believe he himself wanted to go as far as to it),gone too far and with little compassion in his social policies overall.
I heard nothing to make me feel that come the next election he will be saying anything different than the last one.
The last election turned voters away from him, he had a commanding lead of 10+points over Labour before the election was called, he ended up not winning an overall majority and seeing that lead pegged back even after a totally disastrous Labour campaign.

While I agree with much that he said today, I cannot see him bringing any more voters to his party next time and no way will Labour be on only 29% this time round.
More compassion was needed to be displayed in his speech, he didn't take the chance to do so enough for me.

With so much pain to come for those who are the weakest and most vulnerable in the next 12 to 18 months from April next year, I cannot see him leading the Conservatives to anywhere near an overall majority and also likely not to being the largest party in 2015 even.

I like David Cameron but as in 2010,I couldn't yet see myself supporting the Conservatives at the next election and his speech today did nothing at all to tempt me on board.
I wish they would tell us the truth too, it was said the Coalition was made to all but clear the deficit by 2015, claiming Labours plans to halve the deficit in 4 years being bad for the Nation and unambitious.
In 2 and a half years the deficit was reduced by only 25% despite all these hard measures put in place and the deficits is rising again due to new and this Govt borrowing.
They will therefore fail to all but clear the deficit by 2015.

He was right,as he spoke from the experience of his own Child,that people did and still do see the wheelchair of a disabled person and not the person in it, I don't agree with him that has changed much even after the Paralympics.
The sad irony is though, that this coalition has created anxiety, confusion and even fear among many genuine diasbled people with much more of those policies containing near no compassion whatsoever still to come.
That he didn't address at all and in my view he needed to put an end to this demonisation of the disabled that even his Ministers help to fuel in the media.

For me, the conferences vote is Clegg's speech 3/10, Ed Miliband 8/10, David Cameron 7/10.
I have to say I have found near all the conferences apart from rare moments,the most tedious I have watched these last few years.

[Kazanne]

Good things can't be rushed Joey they have cut the deficit by a quarter already,given time they might just get us on our feet again,that's unless someone comes along to destroy the process!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Good things can't be rushed Joey they have cut the deficit by a quarter already,given time they might just get us on our feet again,that's unless someone comes along to destroy the process!!

I hoped for good success for the Coalition kazanne,however,no matter what I do in my life, if I have a goal and plan a means to get to that goal but it is taking me too long to succeed,I look for a better way.
Labour I felt were a total joke in 2010,I didn't blame them for the financial crisis though, okay they could have done more to control things in the UK but they had no real control over the collapse in all other Countries which still would have massively affected the UK even if we'd had the foresight to prepare for it.

Labour though,had a plan to cut the deficit in 4 years,making 20% less cuts and protecting the fragile recovery by not making severe cuts in the first year.

It was argued by the Conservatives and the Lib Dems, that was dangerous and unambitious and to still have a deficit barely halved by 2015 would be a disaster for the UK.
Rightly with a stronger plan, they formed a Coalition to all but clear the deficit by 2015, make more severe cuts from the first year,this they said would reduce the deficit quickest and protect the fragile recovery.
That simple has not happened, the cuts in the first year have had a devastating effect and took us into a double dip recession,the heartless welfare reforms and even more heartless ATOS testing has been in effect a hammer taken to the most vulnerable people in society with much more pain and with more heartless reforms still to be made all through next year.

The deficit was reduced by only 25% in the whole half of this Parliament,2 and a half years, it is now rising again due to the Coalitions new borrowing needs.
That is failure by any means the way I look at things and I think this Govt is too reforming, it should have waited to plan these reforms and look for other ways that wouldn't cause distress to the weakest in society.

I hoped the failure of the Conservatives to win an overall majority and therefore not get endorsements for the severity of their policies in the election and then having the Lib Dems in Coalition would have had a massively moderating effect on those extreme plans of reform,making sure too that compassion was a main order of the day as to any reforms.

That did not happen either, I find it sad that I heard from David Cameron today no understanding and compassion for the weakest and most vulnerable or indeed any let up in the hammer being used against them.
He said he is on the side of the risk takers, what risk takers? It was the risk taking Banks that helped bring about this Global financial mess,on the side of the likes of them.

We have a major question as to what to do in the future after the 2015 election as these are staying on this failed track, although they argue things are getting better because they are getting worse slower.
The answers for me are that moderates and consensus politicians from all parties should be planning the way forward.
That is never likely to happen but for me, one thing is sure,after this speech today by the Prime Minister, the answers are nowhere to be found now in this Coalition.
For me also.the NHS reforms will see that neither of the Coalition parties are trusted with that after the next election.

Whether Labour could have done it or not in reality, their modest reforms,the plan to only halve the deficit in 4 years and avoid really severe cuts to the most vulnerable in society,especially in the first year and also making 20% less of cuts in total, for me suddenly seems to have been more realistic and fairer from what we have had.

It pains me to say that but I have seen,and am seeing, how the genuine disabled have had anxiety,confusion and even uncertainty and fear thrust on them from this heartless Coalition.
They ignore all the main charitable and other organisations who have, and who are, warning of the devastating likely effects of the welfare reforms on the most vulnerable and such lack of compassion as that gets no support from me.

The policies over the last 2 and a half years are failing and causing too much added hardship. everyone expected some hardship but it is in the main all directed at one section of society and unfairly in my view.
Nothing David Cameron said today, gave me any hope he was going to insist on far more compassionate policies,he is staying with the failing ones still running.
I am really sad he failed to do any of that. I hoped for much better from his Govt in Coalition with the the Lib Dems.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I hoped for good success for the Coalition kazanne,however,no matter what I do in my life, if I have a goal and plan a means to get to that goal but it is taking me too long to succeed,I look for a better way.
Labour who I felt were a total joke in 2010,I didn't blame them for the financial crisis, okay they could have done more to control things in the UK but they had no real control over the collapse in all other Countries which still would have massively affected the UK even if we'd ad the foresight to prepare for it.

Labour though,had a plan to cut the deficit in 4 years,making 20% less cuts and protecting the fragile recovery by not making severe cuts in the first year.

It was argued by the Conservatives and the Lib Dems, that was dangerous and unambitious and to still have a deficit barely halved by 2015 would be a disaster for the UK.
Rightly with a stronger plan, they formed a Coalition to all but clear the deficit by 2015, make more severe cuts from the first year,this they said would reduce the deficit quickest and protect the fragile recovery.
That simple has not happened, the cuts in the first year have had a devastaing effect and took us into a double dip recession,the heartless welfare reforms and ven more heartless ATOS testing has been in effect a hammer taken to the most vulnerable people in society with much more pain and more heartkess reforms still to be made all through next year.

The deficit was reduced by only 25% in the whole half of this Parliament,2 and a half years, it is now rising again due to the Coalitions new borrowing needs.
That is failure by any means the way I look at things and I think this Govt is too reforming, it should have waited to plan these reforms and look for other ways that wouldn't cause distress to the weakest in society.

I hoped the failure of the Conservatives to win an overall majority and therefore not get endorsements for the severity of their policies in the election and then having the Lib Dems in Coalition would have had a massively moderating effect on those extreme plans of reform,making sure too that compassion was a main order of the day as to any reforms.

That did not happen either, I find it sad that I heard from David Cameron today no understanding and compassion for the weakest and most vulnerable or indeed any let up in the hammer being used against them.
He said he is on the side of the risk takers, what risk takers, it was the risk taking Banks that helped bring about this Global financial mess,on the side of the likes of them.

We have a major question as to what to do in the future after the 2015 election as these are staying on this failed track, although they argue things are getting better becasue they are getting worse slower.
The answers for me are that moderates and consensus politicians from all parties should be planning the way forward.
That is never likely to happen but for me, one thing is sure,after this speech today by the Prime Minister, the answers are nowhere to be found now in this Coalition.
For me also.the NHS reforms will see that neither of the Coalition parties are trusted with that after the next election.

Whether Labour could have done it or not in reality, their modest reforms,the plan to only halve the deficit in 4 years and avoid really severe cuts to the most vulnerable in society,especially in the first year and also making 20% less of cuts in total, for me suddenly seems to have been more realistic and fairer from what we have had.

It pains me to say that but I have seen,and am seeing how the genuine disabled have had anxiety,confusion and even uncertainty and fear thrust on them from this heartless Coalition.
They ignore all the main charitable and other organisations who have, and who are, warning of the devasatating likely effects of the welfare reforms on the most vulnerable and such lack of compassion as that gets no support from me.

The polices over the last 2 and a half years are failing and causing too much added hardship. everyone expected some hardship but it is in the main all directed at one section of society and unfairly in my view.
Nothing David Cameron said today, gave me any hope he was going to insist on far more compassionate policies,he is staying with the failing ones still running.
I am really sad he failed to do any of that. I hoped for much better from his Govt in Coalition with the the Lib Dems.

Wowee joey, you have really studied this government comparing and contrasting them to what was happening globally in 2010. If more people have your clarity of vision to not look back, refusing to be led by the nose there may be a chance for this country! =)

[Kizzy]

Some excellent points there joey, they have in no way put us anywhere near being on target for 2015 as you say despite the current reforms some of which began with labour and were simply adopted.
Where was the support for public services? banking reform?
an explanation of the recent virgin/ first rail debarcle that has just cost the taxpayer 40 million?
So may be content to namecall and scoff at the plight of 1000's of households in the UK, I for one do not find it constructive or fair.

[thesheriff443]

i did not hear his speach!
talk is cheap unless your on chat line.

[Livia]

'Blinkered' is obviously the new 'informed'

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Livia

'Blinkered' is obviously the new 'informed'

Is that the new Tory slogan?

[Kizzy]

Omah, you should try deciphering some of the doublespeak, its fun...
Half-truths,untruths,rhetoric, spin,read between the lines and add in a few facts and bingo! =)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Omah, you should try deciphering some of the doublespeak, its fun...
Half-truths,untruths,rhetoric, spin,read between the lines and add in a few facts and bingo! =)

Well you should be good at that Kizzy,listening to Labour for so long ,you'll be an expert

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well you should be good at that Kizzy,listening to Labour for so long ,you'll be an expert

I'm not an expert and have listened to all parties kezanne.
30 u-turns since he became PM, dodgy dealings with murky murdoch ...Creating policies on the advice of venture capitalist backers...
Dipping into public funds to bailout banks and balled up transport deals.
I voted liberal at the last election but yes I am happy to say give Ed a go, I'm not so blinkered as to believe labour were responsible for a worldwide recession so at the moment based on what I have seen an heard they have my vote.