[Omah]

Oxford 'child sex ring committed depraved abuse'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21027681

A group of nine men targeted vulnerable young girls in Oxford and subjected them to depraved sexual abuse, the Old Bailey has heard.

The men, eight from Oxford and one from Berkshire, are accused of being involved in a child sex-trafficking ring involving six girls.

Between them the defendants face 51 charges including rape and trafficking.

They deny the charges which relate to girls aged between 11 and 15 and cover a period from 2004 to 2012.

Norman Lucas QC, prosecuting, told jurors the defendants groomed the girls, then controlled them, using them for their own sexual gratification and selling them to other men for sex.

He said the men deliberately targeted girls who had troubled upbringings or unsettled home lives which which made it less likely anyone would exercise normal parental control over them or be looking out for them.

Jurors were told sometimes the girls were targeted while they were drinking or playing truant.

They were then groomed in a variety of ways, such as being given gifts, the court heard.

Mr Lucas said: "The attention lavished on the girls at the outset was of course entirely insincere as it was merely a device, you may conclude once you hear the evidence, to exploit their vulnerability."

The defendants plied the girls with alcohol and introduced them to drugs, including cannabis, cocaine and sometimes heroin, the court heard.

The jury was told the girls became addicted to drugs, making them dependent on their abusers.

Mr Lucas said the men sometimes used extreme physical and sexual violence on the girls.

He said: "The depravity, and I use that word with care, of what was done to the complainants was extreme.

"The facts in this case will make you feel uncomfortable. Much of what the girls were forced to endure was perverted in the extreme."

The court was told the girls were taken to empty private houses and guest houses where others would pay to have sex with them, often in groups.

The men came from as far afield as Bradford, Leeds, London and Slough.

The girls were also taken to other towns and cities, including London and Bournemouth.

The prosecution said one victim described the lifestyle as a "living hell".

Mr Lucas said: "Many of the sexual acts committed on on the girls were extreme in their depravity. The girls were usually given so many drugs that they were barely aware of what was going on. Indeed, they say it was the only way they could cope with what was going on."

He said: "Between acts of abuse sometimes stretching over a number of days, the Oxford men ensured girls were guarded so that they could not escape."

The trial is expected to last until April.

The defendants are:

Kamar Jamil, 27, of Aldwych Road, Oxford
Akhtar Dogar, 32, of Tawney Street, Oxford; and his brother Anjum Dogar, 30, of Tawney Street, Oxford
Assad Hussain, 32, of Ashurst Way, Oxford
Mohammed Karrar, 38, of Kames Close, Oxford; and his brother Bassam Karrar, 33, of Hundred Acres Close, Oxford
Mohammed Hussain, 24, of Horspath Road, Oxford
Zeeshan Ahmed, 27, of Palmer Road, Oxford
Bilal Ahmed, 26, of Suffolk Road, Maidenhead

Not another case .....

[Marc]

All Asian?

[Omah]

So it seems .....

[Vanessa]

Oh my god! Shocking. I hope they get locked up for a long time!

[cobdo]

Taking the risk of getting shot down here but,,,,,,,,,,,what do people expect when one of Islams big boys ....Prophet Mohammed married a 9 year old and is revered by all Muslims

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by cobdo

Taking the risk of getting shot down here but,,,,,,,,,,,what do people expect when one of Islams big boys ....Prophet Mohammed married a 9 year old and is revered by all Muslims

He married a six year old actually, don't pick on other peoples religions if you don't know the facts.

[cobdo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

He married a six year old actually, don't pick on other peoples religions if you don't know the facts.

ACTUALLY!!! He got ENGAGED when the girl was 6 and ACTUALLY married her when she was 9........... facts-right-get-your

[Redway]

Originally Posted by cobdo

Taking the risk of getting shot down here but,,,,,,,,,,,what do people expect when one of Islams big boys ....Prophet Mohammed married a 9 year old and is revered by all Muslims

Do we really have to get into this debate about religion again?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by cobdo

Taking the risk of getting shot down here but,,,,,,,,,,,what do people expect when one of Islams big boys ....Prophet Mohammed married a 9 year old and is revered by all Muslims

Firstly getting married at that age was a norm in society it wasn't part of Prophet Muhammad's teachings times change and so do norms & values this was around 624 AD for **** sake.

Secondly pedophilia is nowhere written in the Qur'an or the Hadith as a principle of Islam.

Thirdly other sources say Aisha married at 16 and was 19 at consummation. There is no definitive answer.

Fourthly I don't know why people are assuming religion plays a role in these men's lives when sex out of marriage and alcohol are strictly forbidden.

In conclusion get an education.

[InOne]

Think it's more cultural than Religious but Religion plays a part too I'd expect.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by InOne

Think it's more cultural than Religious but Religion plays a part too I'd expect.

And the award for the most retarded post goes to InOne

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Salman!

And the award for the most retarded post goes to InOne

You might like to bury your head in the sand about it but not everyone does.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by InOne

You might like to bury your head in the sand about it but not everyone does.

It's clearly you burying your head in the sand as you've seemingly completely ignored my post above.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Salman!

It's clearly you burying your head in the sand as you've seemingly completely ignored my post above.

I wasn't on about Islam in my post, I was on about what was said in the OP.

[Kizzy]

They have not even scratched the surface as to how widespread this problem is......
It has been spoken of in hushed tones for years and years.

[Jamie585]

I live in Oxford

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21059681

A 14-year-old girl was burned with a lighter and threatened if she refused to have sex with men, a court heard.

She is one of six alleged victims of nine men accused of grooming children and exploiting them for sex in Oxford.

The men deny 51 counts including rape, arranging child prostitution and trafficking a child within the UK for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

The charges relate to girls aged between 11 and 15 and cover a period from 2004 to 2012.

Jurors at the Old Bailey were told the girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, met three of defendants Kamar Jamil, Anjum Dogar and his brother Akhtar Dogar, while she was living at a children's home aged 14.

The court heard she drank and took drugs "to the point of passing out because she knew what was expected of her".

Noel Lucas QC, prosecuting, said the teenager felt she had to do what she was told by the men, otherwise they would threaten her and get rough with her.

It is claimed she was taken to alleyways, woods and various houses and flats where men would have sex with her.

[arista]

Thats just Evil

[Kazanne]

Makes you scared for your daughters,why such barbarity and cruelty,no-one deserves to be treated like that.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Assuming it's a cultural thing is incredibly foolish and ignorant too but won't delve into since you'd probably claim you didn't even know they were Asian

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Assuming it's a cultural thing is incredibly foolish and ignorant too but won't delve into since you'd probably claim you didn't even know they were Asian

To be fair, some cultures are totally backwards and still living in the dark ages (just have a look at the Middle East), so it isn't an entirely foolish and ignorant assumption to make, even if I don't see how it applies here.

Race doesn't come into it but some Asian cultures are retarded and foolish (as are others). Eastern cultures are generally more backwards and idiotic than Western cultures ... unless you can't see any issue with, say, the fact that women aren't allowed to drive and leave their homes without covering themselves from head to toe in Saudi Arabia?

I'm not really fussed about the cultural element but I can understand those who do believe it played a big part in this.

Incidentally, some people are happy to act like total idiots and use their religion to justify it. I don't think anyone was suggesting that religious books incite this kind of hatred but maybe there's the possibility that some people are going to use it to defend themselves?

Again, I'm not saying either standpoint is right or wrong but I can see both sides to this.

[Me. I Am Salman]

All that makes InOne look is even more stupid there is no cultural or religious factors influencing these crimes and that is absolute 100% fact. Pedophilia is pedophilia has dear old InOne completely ignored the Jimmy Savile case?

[Redway]

To be fair, when you're jumping at someone for something they didn't actually say, you're the only one who looks like a fool.

And how is it 100% fact? There are plenty of people who use their religion/culture to justify their idiocy. Have you forgotten 7/7? 9/11? All the other religion extremist acts? That's 100% fact, too, which is why I believe that neither viewpoint is right nor wrong.

I'm not having a go at you, because I do like you, but you're making no sense on this thread at all.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Salman!

All that makes InOne look is even more stupid there is no cultural or religious factors influencing these crimes and that is absolute 100% fact. Pedophilia is pedophilia has dear old InOne completely ignored the Jimmy Savile case?

What has Jimmy Savile got to do with this? :S Clutching at straws here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Salman!

All that makes InOne look is even more stupid there is no cultural or religious factors influencing these crimes and that is absolute 100% fact. Pedophilia is pedophilia has dear old InOne completely ignored the Jimmy Savile case?

Where is your evidence to support your theory that culture is not a factor?
You can't quote your own personal statements and opinion as facts.