[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1183541/pe...torm-in-teacup

They scan the ID pass each day to get the £300
they can then leave.


Now the Mirror has picked on this Ex -Conservative Peer
Lord Hanningfield
he says he had 3 staff to fund etc.



On Radio 5
a Scottish Peer said need to add also clocking out.


1st off there are far to many in the
House of Lords
the need a cull

[Livia]

Hanningfield is not a good example. He's a liability who should be in jail and gives a bad name to those piers who actually do some work.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hanningfield is not a good example. He's a liability who should be in jail and gives a bad name to those piers who actually do some work.

Yes I agree,
but still should they also clock off
to get the £300

And only because of him
there are so many more debates (TV news and Radio)
about not clocking off.

[fingers]

I would expect them to do some bloody work for their daily £300 - That's more than MPs get and most of them don't effing deserve it!

[arista]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

I would expect them to do some bloody work for their daily £300 - That's more than MPs get and most of them don't effing deserve it!

Yes and not sleep on the job.

Make a new Rule:
All those found sleeping should be Fired
as it proves they can not handle Work at that old age

[Livia]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

I would expect them to do some bloody work for their daily £300 - That's more than MPs get and most of them don't effing deserve it!

Only a proportion of their work is done in the House. Like MPs, who spend a large chunk of time in their constituency... if they're any good at what they do, that is.

[Z]

Oh dear.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Oh dear.

Zee this debate is about Not Having Clocking Off
do you think they should?

[fingers]

Originally Posted by arista

Zee this debate is about Not Having Clocking Off
do you think they should?

They'd find a way around that, give some homeless person a Fiver to clock out for them!

[arista]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

They'd find a way around that, give some homeless person a Fiver to clock out for them!

No its a Electronic Scan (with security people watching)
so only the Peer can do it
not a hobo

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Zee this debate is about Not Having Clocking Off
do you think they should?

Yes, I think they should. The House of Lords is an outdated concept in my opinion that ought to be abolished or at the very least modernised, dramatically.

[smudgie]

I think they should be abolished to be honest.

Waste of chuffing money.

The HoL is the political equivalent of the appendix. Scrap it all.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

The HoL is the political equivalent of the appendix. Scrap it all.

....and use the money that they suck out of the system to fund the NHS!

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

The HoL is the political equivalent of the appendix. Scrap it all.

Yes lets hope one day the MP's do that.

But at this time many old MP's then go to the House of Lords.
sometimes just to sleep, as well

[fingers]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes lets hope one day the MP's do that.

But at this time many old MP's then go to the House of Lords.
sometimes just to sleep, as well

Yeah, an MP's inflated pension PLUS £300 per day, nice work if you can get it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

The HoL is the political equivalent of the appendix. Scrap it all.

I would agree, except that during this government the HoL has successfully blocked a couple of the Tories worst poverty-policies.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

The HoL is the political equivalent of the appendix. Scrap it all.

So... who is going to block or pass the laws? Shall we just leave it to the government?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

So... who is going to block or pass the laws? Shall we just leave it to the government?

Ah yes, I forgot about that.

A hefty pay cut will do then.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Santa-gnome-ears

Ah yes, I forgot about that.

A hefty pay cut will do then.

For a 5 day week £29 per day would equate to what a State Pensioner gets!

[Kizzy]

Was going to to say the HoL is not simply a retirement home for MPs, they do also have an important role in lawmaking.
To suggest the Mirror or anyone knows how hard each individual works (or not) is not known.

[fingers]

To put it in perspective people drawing the State Pension get less than £300 for TWO WEEKS pension.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

To put it in perspective people drawing the State Pension get less than £300 for TWO WEEKS pension.

The problem with imposing massive pay cuts on MPs or on the House of Lords would be that only the very rich would do it. An MPs salary (I know we're talking about the House of Lords, but I'm using this as an example) is a fraction of what someone with a decent degree and plenty of drive would be able to earn in the City, for instance. The Chief Executive of my local district council gets a salary in excess of four times what the local MP earns. And I know they get expenses, but a big chunk of those expenses go on staff wages and office costs, postage, IT... a constituency office is responsible for 90-100,000 people and it's always busy, so having a quality staff is essential.

If someone who isn't from a wealthy background goes into politics there has to be a decent financial incentive or we go back to the time when only the independently wealthy went into parliament. And really... that's the last thing we need.

Originally Posted by Livia

The problem with imposing massive pay cuts on MPs or on the House of Lords would be that only the very rich would do it. An MPs salary (I know we're talking about the House of Lords, but I'm using this as an example) is a fraction of what someone with a decent degree and plenty of drive would be able to earn in the City, for instance. The Chief Executive of my local district council gets a salary in excess of four times what the local MP earns. And I know they get expenses, but a big chunk of those expenses go on staff wages and office costs, postage, IT... a constituency office is responsible for 90-100,000 people and it's always busy, so having a quality staff is essential.

If someone who isn't from a wealthy background goes into politics there has to be a decent financial incentive or we go back to the time when only the independently wealthy went into parliament. And really... that's the last thing we need.

That is the ideal of politics - it's not about people wanting/needing big salaries to represent the people, but politics is more about power and self importance, than representation. How many politicians in all parties put the need of constituents before their parties/big business?

Politics should be a vocation, not a jolly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

That is the ideal of politics - it's not about people wanting/needing big salaries to represent the people, but politics is more about power and self importance, than representation. How many politicians in all parties put the need of constituents before their parties/big business?

Politics should be a vocation, not a jolly.

Well, I know a fair few MPs, and while I can't pretend that they all are committed, fair and hard-working, a lot of them are. Standing as an MP doesn't mean you have your morals removed... some of them - across all the parties - really are working for the greater good and I have a lot of admiration for them. Equally, some should be taken out and shot.

I'd like to see far fewer people in politics who have a pond on which to put a duck house. sadly, unless they earn a salary at least on par with what they could get in the private sector, then we're going continue to get hobby politicians who are either independently wealthy, or divide their time between Parliament and their "proper", more lucrative job.