[the truth]

She also admitted she liked jim from the start and found him funny but couldnt explain at all why she had called him sexist in the second week.....she then admitted she had labelled him sexist in week 2 because she had been influenced by others.

louisa is a bit spineless and reminds me of those bitchy groups of girls in school...the ones who look down their nose at people and create a horrible peer pressure....its pathetic....BUT I applaud the fact she has at leats now admitted she was wrong to slander jim with the sexist brush. No doubt the fact her mother loves jim, caseys mother loves jim, sams mother loves jim, many millions love jim, probably affected her thought process

clearly she has benefitted enormously from lindas departure. hopefully in future instead of saying how she tells it like it is and walks her own path, she can actually live up to those words and not give in the the peer pressure of group bullying.

jimbo forgives and no doubt has learnt a lot, louisa learns and we all move forward. repentance, forgiveness and redemption can be wonderful things. sadly it wont happen with linda who is poisoned by bitter pills.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

She also admitted she liked jim from the start and found him funny but couldnt explain at all why she had called him sexist in the second week.....she then admitted she had labelled him sexist in week 2 because she had been influenced by others.

louisa is a bit spineless and reminds me of those bitchy groups of girls in school...the ones who look down their nose at people and create a horrible peer pressure....its pathetic....BUT I applaud the fact she has at leats now admitted she was wrong to slander jim with the sexist brush. No doubt the fact her mother loves jim, caseys mother loves jim, sams mother loves jim, many millions love jim, probably affected her thought process

clearly she has benefitted enormously from lindas departure. hopefully in future instead of saying how she tells it like it is and walks her own path, she can actually live up to those words and not give in the the peer pressure of group bullying.

jimbo forgives and no doubt has learnt a lot, louisa learns and we all move forward. repentance, forgiveness and redemption can be wonderful things. sadly it wont happen with linda who is poisoned by bitter pills.

yes,Luisa and Jim bonding,who'de have thought it

[Patricia4]

That was a nice moment.

[chuff me dizzy]

Right thats it ,best pack up and go home ,Luisa says Jim not sexist ,so thats good enough for me ,Have I banged my head today ? has my memory for the last God knows how many years been erased forever? I remember him on his debut show years, and years ago, I dont need someone on a forum or a tv show (theyve known each other 3 weeks )to tell me everything I KNOW about Jim Davidson is wrong and they are right ,not going to happen

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right thats it ,best pack up and go home ,Luisa says Jim not sexist ,so thats good enough for me ,Have I banged my head today ? has my memory for the last God knows how many years been erased forever? I remember him on his debut show years, and years ago, I dont need someone on a forum or a tv show (theyve known each other 3 weeks )to tell me everything I KNOW about Jim Davidson is wrong and they are right ,not going to happen

You supported Jim until the Frank Carson drama so what you knew mustn't have bothered you that much?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right thats it ,best pack up and go home ,Luisa says Jim not sexist ,so thats good enough for me ,Have I banged my head today ? has my memory for the last God knows how many years been erased forever? I remember him on his debut show years, and years ago, I dont need someone on a forum or a tv show (theyve known each other 3 weeks )to tell me everything I KNOW about Jim Davidson is wrong and they are right ,not going to happen

well that didnt make sense....funny how you had a sense of humour and actually liked him until the frank carson line. you may rewrite history but we remember.

[Arrow]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right thats it ,best pack up and go home ,Luisa says Jim not sexist ,so thats good enough for me ,Have I banged my head today ? has my memory for the last God knows how many years been erased forever? I remember him on his debut show years, and years ago, I dont need someone on a forum or a tv show (theyve known each other 3 weeks )to tell me everything I KNOW about Jim Davidson is wrong and they are right ,not going to happen

Ollie and now luisa both couldn't point out not even one occasion that jim has been sexist


I take it you have not spoken to jim before ? Yet speak as if you know everything about the 'real' jim davidson

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Arrow

Ollie and now luisa both couldn't point out not even one occasion that jim has been sexist


I take it you have not spoken to jim before ? Yet speak as if you know everything about the 'real' jim davidson

exactly. great reply.

[Z]

It was a nice moment

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Zee

It was a nice moment

a moment of truth and reconcilliation, a moment of clarity

[smeagol]

good news now hopefully she will iron his shirts without moaning hehe

[Jack_]

Except she didn't say he wasn't sexist, she said that made him who he was and he shouldn't change

I was actually quite disappointed in her because he openly gave her an opportunity to tell him what beliefs he needs to reconsider in order to not come across as sexist and she didn't take him up on the offer, I'd have jumped at the chance - if someone is that willing to change (quite respectable in itself actually), then give them the help they need

Once again I say this as a fan of Jim before someone jumps on me

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Except she didn't say he wasn't sexist, she said that made him who he was and he shouldn't change

I was actually quite disappointed in her because he openly gave her an opportunity to tell him what beliefs he needs to reconsider in order to not come across as sexist and she didn't take him up on the offer, I'd have jumped at the chance - if someone is that willing to change (quite respectable in itself actually), then give them the help they need

Once again I say this as a fan of Jim before someone jumps on me

the point is she couldnt think os anything sexist he had done in the house so couldnt find any reason to justify the accusation at all. to falsely accuse someone is inverted sexism. thankfully she retracted her words

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Except she didn't say he wasn't sexist, she said that made him who he was and he shouldn't change

I was actually quite disappointed in her because he openly gave her an opportunity to tell him what beliefs he needs to reconsider in order to not come across as sexist and she didn't take him up on the offer, I'd have jumped at the chance - if someone is that willing to change (quite respectable in itself actually), then give them the help they need

Once again I say this as a fan of Jim before someone jumps on me

Yeah but i don't think Louisa knows much about sexism herself tbh.She says Jim is sexist and then makes sexist comments herself.She thinks it only works one way.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah but i don't think Louisa knows much about sexism herself tbh.She says Jim is sexist and then makes sexist comments herself.She thinks it only works one way.

exactly hopefully one day she can be as open and honest as jim and confess her own inverted sexism and double standards. she has really hurt jim and dappy needlessly with these slanderous sexism slurrs. still she admitted shes wrong , jim forgives and we move on

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

the point is she couldnt think os anything sexist he had done in the house so couldnt find any reason to justify the accusation at all. to falsely accuse someone is inverted sexism. thankfully she retracted her words

You know as well as I do that that isn't true, don't get me wrong - I think Jim's a nice man at heart, and he has been a really great housemate, integral to this series even - but he has made quite a few sexist remarks in his time in the house

She actually cut the conversation off because she said she didn't want an argument, it wasn't a case of her 'not being able to think of anything', she said she'd realised that that was a part of who he was (or words to that effect) and he shouldn't change

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah but i don't think Louisa knows much about sexism herself tbh.She says Jim is sexist and then makes sexist comments herself.She thinks it only works one way.

I don't disagree with that, there have also been a couple of unfair remarks made by Luisa and Linda that have categorised and stereotyped men which I weren't happy with, but they were part of widescale, more discreet type of gender inequality that most of us are all guilty of in our day to day lives - beliefs, ideas, traditions about the way in which both men and women should act and definitions of 'masculinity' and 'femininity' which are at their very core sexist and unequal. But combatting those ideas certainly isn't going to happen overnight and they aren't the kind of blatant, knowing sexist attitudes that some people do hold, as in they genuinely believe the things that they're saying, rather than just saying them because that's what they've been brought up to believe (as most of us have), if that makes sense

Jim has made some questionable remarks which do not necessarily stem from ideas we are brought up with, perhaps ones he may have been brought up with himself yes, but beliefs which are now slowly being ironed (quite an ironic word actually given the context) out of fashion - whereas the other remarks against men that I mentioned stem from ideas taught at birth, and whilst unfair and need addressing, are ones which aren't knowing and blatant - I hope that makes sense, it does in my head

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Except she didn't say he wasn't sexist, she said that made him who he was and he shouldn't change

I was actually quite disappointed in her because he openly gave her an opportunity to tell him what beliefs he needs to reconsider in order to not come across as sexist and she didn't take him up on the offer, I'd have jumped at the chance - if someone is that willing to change (quite respectable in itself actually), then give them the help they need

Once again I say this as a fan of Jim before someone jumps on me

Seems Lee,s selective memory syndrome is catching.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Seems Lee,s selective memory syndrome is catching.

Yes it certainly is from you Sam, you should watch it back

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I was actually quite disappointed in her because he openly gave her an opportunity to tell him what beliefs he needs to reconsider in order to not come across as sexist and she didn't take him up on the offer, I'd have jumped at the chance - if someone is that willing to change (quite respectable in itself actually), then give them the help they need

I had pretty much the same reaction. I do think she doesn't want to have another argument so close to the end, which probably played a part, but I still think she handled it rather pathetically. Guess she's one of those who needs back up to speak up. Disappointing indeed.

[Robodog]

Good to see them bonding.

They have been the best 2 HMs this year.

Interesting to see Luisa's mum with love for Jim and saying how he's like Lu's dad !

Explains alot about the banter they had, puts their rows into context and leaves the series on quite a sweet, warm note.

Good that Linda left when she did as it gives Lu time to see what a negative influence she had on Lu as she admitted tonight.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

But he did tell her he was sexist lol. She just thinks its not worth arguing anymore seeing as its the last few days and just wants everyone to get on.

That's what I got from it.

I would defo say she still thinks hes sexist but realises hes just a man of his time and isn't going to change so why bother now. Not everything has to be about sexism

Hes never made a secret of his sexism all these years but to be fair un pc humour is actually funny lol hence the reason I love Family Guy and South Park.

anyway it would be nice to talk about something else, they have had a real good laugh with each other the last few days.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

But he did tell her he was sexist lol. She just thinks its not worth arguing anymore seeing as its the last few days and just wants everyone to get on.

That's what I got from it.

I would defo say she still thinks hes sexist but realises hes just a man of his time and isn't going to change so why bother now. Not everything has to be about sexism anyway it would be nice to talk about something else, they have had a real good laugh with each other the last few days.

He is sexist, hes never made a secret of it all these years but to be fair un pc humour is actually funny lol hence the reason I love Family Guy and South Park.

man of his time? that sounds borderline ageist and sexist? as if all men from a certain time are all sexist? nonsense. he has done nothing sexist whatsoever in that house,

he asked her for advice and asked her how he was sexist and if he was what could he do about it....she couldnt think of anything that he had done that could justify him labelling him sexist (same with dappy) the time he admitted he was sexist to her , was done when she was in floods of tears and was done to make her laugh and it worked. sadly she had chosen to forget that until now.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

man of his time? that sounds borderline ageist and sexist? as if all men from a certain time are all sexist? nonsense. he has done nothing sexist whatsoever in that house,

he asked her for advice and asked her how he was sexist and if he was what could he do about it....she couldnt think of anything that he had done that could justify him labelling him sexist (same with dappy) the time he admitted he was sexist to her , was done when she was in floods of tears and was done to make her laugh and it worked. sadly she had chosen to forget that until now.

You don't think Dappy's remarks that if a woman sleeps with five men in one night she's a '*****', whereas if a man does it's acceptable (or just simply a 'pig' as he backtracked and changed it to), is sexist? I mean I've enjoyed Dappy but come on, that is a very sexist and unfair attitude

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You don't think Dappy's remarks that if a woman sleeps with five men in one night she's a '*****', whereas if a man does it's acceptable (or just simply a 'pig' as he backtracked and changed it to), is sexist? I mean I've enjoyed Dappy but come on, that is a very sexist and unfair attitude

of course it was utter nonsense. but hes not the brightest and he did backtrack and he did amend his opinion immediately and apologised. that said, luisa brought his mother into the argument which was a very low blow and that clearly antagonised him to get hysterical. 1 man cheating on a woman is just the same as a woman cheating on a man. 1 man like lee shagging 5 different women in 5 days or luisa shagging 5 men in one night, is not my idea of a good relationship. But do I think its different for men or women? no. its the same.

that said the double standards such as the women who abuse the men in there shouting and swearing at them and labelling them sexist pigs, then for the same women to say men shouldnt swear at women or insult women, is inverted sexism. equality works both ways . ok can we move on.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You don't think Dappy's remarks that if a woman sleeps with five men in one night she's a '*****', whereas if a man does it's acceptable (or just simply a 'pig' as he backtracked and changed it to), is sexist? I mean I've enjoyed Dappy but come on, that is a very sexist and unfair attitude

I doubt either a man or woman would put such activity as their opening gambit on a dating website. Dappy's not the sharpest tool in the box and a lot of the music industry does objectify women, and I don't think Dappy's views are particularly harmful to anyone. It's just hypocrisy as opposed to sexism as would be seen in an unfaithful party in a marriage. They may enjoy what they are doing but would still likely be aggrieved to find their other half doing the same.