[Samwell]

Do you think Helen is broken beacuse of the prostituting, or did she prostitute because she is broken? She seems very bitter and hateful. But I am very curious if this came before or after the prostituting. What is your opinion?

[Josy]

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

[Samwell]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

Thanks, you have a lot of background information. It seems logical though, for someone to be as she is, it probably has roots all the way back to her childhood.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Samwell

Thanks, you have a lot of background information. It seems logical though, for someone to be as she is, it probably has roots all the way back to her childhood.

Here is an article that contains some background info about Helens life

http://www.nicholasbowman.co.uk/wp-c...len-Wood-1.jpg

If you click on it it zooms so it's readable

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kistar

If you want to be an arse you can always justify it, there is never a reason to be mean and cruel .

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

I think that's a very big assumption to be honest Josy.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think it's perfectly fair to assume that being a prostitute will more than likely impact your life in a negative way leaving you bitter and hateful.

I know that in no way excuses her behaviour in the house but that's not what the OP was asking.

Did you see belle de jour? Have you read confessions of a call girl , I'm sure channel 4 did a programme about grannies being escorts and they were having a great time , getting paid £180 an hour would surely take the bitterness out if a situation let's be honest , she was meeting famous footballers and having 3somes and getting paid a grand a time , how would that ever make her bitter ?

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think she done the prostitute thing because she was broke not broken




Being serious though...she apparently had a bit of a wild childhood, had problems with her parents, went into a foster home, then had her child at a very young age then couldn't afford her bills so turned to prostitution so yeah she probably was a broken person

And a life like that was always going to leave their mark on her character.

If you want to be an arse you can always justify it, there is never a reason to be mean and cruel .

[Achilles]

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

She has indeed, I prefer Helen any day over Danielle.

[kistar]

Helen isn't broken she just can't get her own way by brute force and ignorance like she would normally do , she knows she is in a controlled environment and doesn't have the skill set to cope with being reasonable and civil so she is falling apart .

[smeagol]

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by smeagol

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

danielle? shes not nasty or cruel though. she's just desperate for attention land slightly of her meds lol

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by smeagol

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do)

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do)

crude rude nude all is gude

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by smeagol

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

Agree with this. She's a c**nt the fact she an ex ***** didnt help but its not the reason why she's a c**nt

[kistar]

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kistar

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kistar

Did you see belle de jour? Have you read confessions of a call girl , I'm sure channel 4 did a programme about grannies being escorts and they were having a great time , getting paid £180 an hour would surely take the bitterness out if a situation let's be honest , she was meeting famous footballers and having 3somes and getting paid a grand a time , how would that ever make her bitter ?

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kistar

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

I agree with all that but stand by my opinion that prostitution could potentially leave a women feeling angry and bitter, I'm not saying Helen is btw and i'm definitely not saying that her past justifies her behaviour in the house in anyway.

Originally Posted by jet

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

Oh I know she chose to do it Jet and I actually posted that nearer the beginning of the show in another thread, I think Helen chose the easy way out to pay off the little amount of debt she said she had and I also said I admire the women that go out and work a proper job to earn a living for their family rather than someone that turns to prostitution.

I am no way defending Helen at all in this thread btw, I was just replying to the queston in the OP that I think being a prostitute could leave you 'broken' and I personally think it's a fair assumption to make.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by kistar

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a crap childhood , so many people have had so much worse happen and have actually turned out to be reasonable human beings, it is no excuse and it's just about choice, she chooses to be vile in the present nothing to do with the past.

How can anyone justify being awful because they had a nice childhood? People can have some kind of idea why Helen turned away the way she has, but what is Danielle's excuse? Danielle is the vile human being in that house, not Helen.

[Samwell]

Originally Posted by Achilles

You are correct. Some people are born rotten. Danielle is the prime example. She is rotten to the core.

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen has gone through a lot of **** during her life, but she still managed to come out of it a better human being than Danielle, the "lady"

I agree with you. Even though Helen is very bad, Danielle may be worse.

I wonder how Helen was as a prostitute though. If she was nice, and welcoming, or cold and bitchy.