[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1297664/is...-across-border


Israel in return is killing people and children
who are not in the war

[Crimson Dynamo]

until both sides stop thinking that their sides lives are of more value than the others this madness will not end.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

until both sides stop thinking that their sides lives are of more value than the others this madness will not end.

Yes never ending
if Hamas get a nuke
then it evens it up

[Nedusa]

Maybe these larger more powerful rockets might even up the score a bit ??





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[Livia]

Makes it sound like, before they got this latest weapon, Hamas haven't been firing rockets at Israel at the rate of thousands per year.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Makes it sound like, before they got this latest weapon, Hamas haven't been firing rockets at Israel at the rate of thousands per year.

Yes True

Israel can stop this new rocket if he gets near housing zones via its Iron Dome Defense System


So far they are firing this new power rocket
to outter zones away from homes - SkyNewsHD reported

[Nedusa]

Maybe if Hamas acquire larger more powerful weapons and inflict serious damage on Israel they (Israel) might actually stop and think about actually negotiating a proper peace settlement.


Wouldn't hold your breath though......




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[smudgie]

So much hate in this world, so sad.

[the truth]

both sides hold the old testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth mantra , thus you end up with this mindless bloodbath.
Israel should never have been set up there in the first place, disastrous idea NOT driven to helps the jews, driven by the wests desire to have a wepaons arsenal in the middle east and anyone who dare question it gets batted down with the anti semintism brush, a brush now so corrupted and perverted its almost lost all its meaning
as it stands , the world should recognise palestine as a country in its own right.
ONLY then can you even begin talk of peace.
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

both sides hold the old testament eye for an eye tooth for a tooth mantra , thus you end up with this mindless bloodbath.
Israel should never have been set up there in the first place, disastrous idea NOT driven to helps the jews, driven by the wests desire to have a wepaons arsenal in the middle east and anyone who dare question it gets batted down with the anti semintism brush, a brush now so corrupted and perverted its almost lost all its meaning
as it stands , the world should recognise palestine as a country in its own right.
ONLY then can you even begin talk of peace.
an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

it was invented. they didnt own any land there at all....thousands of years ago? lol so does that mean the descendants of julius ceasar own your house? they after all ruled the UK back in the BC days...your argument is just as ludicrous

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

it was invented. they didnt own any land there at all....thousands of years ago? lol so does that mean the descendants of julius ceasar own your house? they after all ruled the UK back in the BC days...your argument is just as ludicrous

Jerusalem is a sacred place to Jews, like Mecca and Medina is the Muslims. If you've actually read the bible, then you're just trying to get a reaction by referring to my argument as ludicrous.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jerusalem is a sacred place to Jews, like Mecca and Medina is the Muslims. If you've actually read the bible, then you're just trying to get a reaction by referring to my argument as ludicrous.

fine jewish people go visit there, but to reclaim it 2000 years later is crazy......your argument is beyond ludicrous its a joke and a very dangerous joke. IF you want to have your belief taken seriously that people can reclaim land 2000 years later, then give up your home to the romans , only then would I take you seriously. otheriwse its lunacy and hypocrisy

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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100% correct. its been a disaster for 60 years and it will continue to be so for the next 1000 that is if all the hate mongers on both sides havent blown everyone up by then. the fact that were not allowed to have an open healthy debate on the uber liberal state tv bbc , only means the solution is even harder to find

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

have you handed your land back to the romans yet? didnt think so

What a ridiculous argument. Don't you feel silly?

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.

Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.

Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.

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I have family in Israel. Are you saying my family are not a right minded Jewish people? Is that EVERYONE in Israel that's sad, deluded and hateful? In fact, don't bother answering, this will turn into another anti-Jewish tirade from you that'll end up getting deleted.

Originally Posted by the truth

100% correct. its been a disaster for 60 years and it will continue to be so for the next 1000 that is if all the hate mongers on both sides havent blown everyone up by then. the fact that were not allowed to have an open healthy debate on the uber liberal state tv bbc , only means the solution is even harder to find

Actually, healthy debate isn't allowed on THIS FORUM about Israel as it just descends into insults as usual.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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I'm in total agreement with you!!!

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I'm in total agreement with you!!!

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!!

not sure id go along with that. its a bit over simplistic and im not sure how one can calculate the sum totals ....though there have been many barbaric leaders responsible for deaths of millions, Mao and stalin is right at the top of that list, then hitler .....but I understand where youre coming from with israel and america.

They have both committed endless atrocities and bloodbaths. I believe america have invaded 70 nations. israel should never have been created in the 1940's the jews have zero right to steal land they claim to have lived on 2000 years ago. it was utterly preposterous from the start and of course would obviously lead to infinite war as its done for the past 70 years. this is the longest almost non stop conflict in history. but why set the state up there , when any man with a brain and a heart knows of the impending doom that will last until the end of the world? Incidentally do Muslims and Jews believe in the concept of forgiveness of sin and redemption? It certainly doesnt appear so

clearly the yanks and brits wanted to use this as a foothold to control the middle east. helping the poor oppressed jewish people after decades of persecuation was a mere ruse behind which to impose their will and a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons in palestine. then smartly use anti semitism as a hammer to hit anyone who dare question or criticize this insane plan

as for the atomic bomb it ended the us japanese war, but no one else has used it thankfully

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I'm in total agreement with you!!!

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!!

lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I'm in total agreement with you!!!

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!!

Doesn't it make you wonder why Palestine's neighbours don't step in to help? I mean, look who Israel's closest neighbours are... Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebenon, Syria, Saudi Arabia... all Muslim countries. Makes you kind of wonder why they don't side with Hamas, doesn't it.

I'm not standing up for the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israelis, not at all. But people forget that Hamas fires rockets into Israel daily, air raid sirens go off every day... day in, day out... they store their rockets, launchers and other arms and ammo in civilian areas, they fire their rockets from the roof of blocks of flats in civilian areas attempting to use the people as human shields. Israel agreed to an Egyptian-brokered a ceasefire last week, Hamas rejected it. While I acknowledge the Israeli reaction is way over the top, Hamas are not exactly innocent in all of this.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

have you given your home back to the romans yet being as they owned it 2000 years ago? thats what you expected the palestinians to do?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel wasn't invented in the forties, the Jews were in Israel for thousands of years before Islam came into being. It's the Jewish spiritual homeland, not just a state set up by the West. Where else would Jews go?

Although some still understand the 'eye for an eye' passage to speak about revenge, in Jewish law, an eye for an eye is interpreted in the main to mean 'only one eye for one eye' meaning, you only get what is fair in trade.

A two state solution is the only viable one, but neither side want to consider the possibility.

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Achilles

State of Israel was created in 1940s after WW2. The region is a spiritual place for Jews, Christians and Muslims. From the perspective of a Jew/Christian/Muslim, they may believe their spiritual claim on the region is more important than the spiritual claim of the other two. The truth is that they all have equal claim. The conflict of today and the conflict of biblical times is the same. All parties made claim to the region after warfare. 2 state solution is not the most viable option. The most viable option would be a logical solution. ONE STATE called Jerusalem where Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are all considered equal and the government reflects the population. Not one country for Jews and one country for Muslims, but one country where they all live together as equals, with complete religious freedom and religious equality. That is what should have happened when the state of Israel was created back in the 40s instead of creating a homeland for one group of people at the expense of another group. There will never be peace until people stop taking sides and blaming the other.

I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a little confused... Jerusalem is a city, not a country, so how are you going to have a "one state called Jerusalem"? That makes no sense to me.

Although the 'state' of Israel came into being in the forties, Israel itself has been sacred to Jews for over five thousand years... three thousand years before Christ was born and four thousand years before Islam came into being. So when you refer to the conflict of "biblical times" I'm not sure what you mean. Jerusalem is the sacred city of the Jews in the same way Mecca and Medina are sacred to Islam. Jerusalem hardly features at all in the Quran. And yes Jerusalem is sacred to Christians because Jesus lived there two thousand years ago, and Jesus was a Jew.

It would be a fine thing if everyone could live together in peace. It'll happen one day when the "old guard" get older and new generations take over. There is more and more resistance to violence among the Jewish youth in Israel, more coming together to call for peace. For the moment, it's a blood bath.

Because Jerusalem is a name all parties could agree on.

[Kizzy]

All this war in the name of religion... it's so wrong