[Josy]

The charity Headway says treatment of American actor Gary Busey has been 'insensitive, exploitative and discriminatory'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-bullying.html

[CaudleHalbard]

Gary would find that both bizarre and hilarious.

[Josy]

Not really sure what I think about this tbh.

In one way it proves that a lot of people believe that the other housemates have been discriminating against him to some extent in the other hand Gary would hate to be considered a victim IMO and he is fit enough to be on the show.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

Not really sure what I think about this tbh.

In one way it proves that a lot of people believe that the other housemates have been discriminating against him to some extent in the other hand Gary would hate to be considered a victim IMO and he is fit enough to be on the show.

Yes, I think he would HATE being considered a victim.
The article mentions the nomination process a lot and I think Stephanie and Rikkis noms were just too much. Is calling him dirty and disgusting on public TV is a step too far? Yes.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Not really sure what I think about this tbh.

In one way it proves that a lot of people believe that the other housemates have been discriminating against him to some extent in the other hand Gary would hate to be considered a victim IMO and he is fit enough to be on the show.

I don't know, to me Gary seems like a very positive person and I think perhaps he might be pleased that his appearance on the show has brought the difficulties of people who have brain injuries to light in public. I hope so anyway.

[jessicadanielle]

Yeah not sure what I believe, Gary is holding his own and complaints like this paint Gary as a victim. He's very strong, not a victim.

However, I believe this is good in some ways. Shows like BB can be good for exposure to things like brain injuries to the public, but the way it's being dealt with in the house is really poor. I'd hate to think that some members of the public would have an inaccurate portrayal of neurological disorders and how to deal with them from the way it's been dealt with on BB.

[waylander1973]

Like I said in early posts he should not have been put on the show, the producers are to blame for all of this, gary is clearly having problems in there and his fellow housemates have no experience in dealing with his condition.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Like I said in early posts he should not have been put on the show, the producers are to blame for all of this, gary is clearly having problems in there and his fellow housemates have no experience in dealing with his condition.

I disagree, having a disability shouldn't mean Gary is forced to become a recluse. I feel that that's a really old-fashioned attitude. Disabled people should not be written off.

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I disagree, having a disability shouldn't mean Gary is forced to become a recluse. I feel that that's a really old-fashioned attitude. Disabled people should not be written off.

Never said he should be a recluse, the telegraph news article an expert Charles Sophy that he is vulnerable quote - his accident had “probably” had a greater effect on him than he realised. Sophy described it as essentially weakening his mental "filters" and causing him to speak and act impulsively.

He can do other things than go on reality tv shows like big brother.

I only said he should not be on this show, where people without knowing his full condition may react in a negative manner towards him.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Never said he should be a recluse, the telegraph news article an expert Charles Sophy that he is vulnerable quote - his accident had “probably” had a greater effect on him than he realised. Sophy described it as essentially weakening his mental "filters" and causing him to speak and act impulsively.

He can do other things than go on reality tv shows like big brother.

I only said he should not be on this show, where people without knowing his full condition may react in a negative manner towards him.

Still, I don't think that's a reason to not go on the show. People who acquire injuries like Gary's still have to meet strangers from time to time. He is as able as the rest of us.

Though I did think it would have been a good idea to brief the hms about Gary's behaviour, just so they were clear that things that could be perceived as rudeness may be a result of his injury. I cringe so hard when James lectures Gary about things which may (or may not) be a result of his injury, e.g. "Barging" into conversations.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Like I said in early posts he should not have been put on the show, the producers are to blame for all of this, gary is clearly having problems in there and his fellow housemates have no experience in dealing with his condition.

You have completely ignored the entire point of the article and the charities cause.

You saying Gary shouldn't be in there is in fact discriminating against someone with a brain injury

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

You have completely ignored the entire point of the article and the charities cause.

You saying Gary shouldn't be in there is in fact discriminating against someone with a brain injury

I don't think waylander was saying that. Unless the HM's are fully aware of the effects of a brain injury (and tbh, how many people are) then it wasn't wise to put Gary in and expose him to possible misunderstandings and humiliations (like Rikki saying he was dirty and disgusting.) Is poor hygiene and rudeness a direct result of such injuries in Gary's case? We don't know, so how would the HM's?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't think waylander was saying that. Unless the HM's are fully aware of the effects of a brain injury (and tbh, how many people are) then it wasn't wise to put Gary in and expose him to possible misunderstandings and humiliations (like Rikki saying he was dirty and disgusting.) Is poor hygiene and rudeness a direct result of such injuries in Gary's case? We don't know, so how would the HM's?

They don't need to be fully aware of the effects Jet all they need is a bit more patience and tolerance.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't think waylander was saying that. Unless the HM's are fully aware of the effects of a brain injury (and tbh, how many people are) then it wasn't wise to put Gary in and expose him to possible misunderstandings and humiliations (like Rikki saying he was dirty and disgusting.) Is poor hygiene and rudeness a direct result of such injuries in Gary's case? We don't know, so how would the HM's?

I just don't think avoidance is the best way to tackle misconceptions about disorders like Gary's.

We could be worried that someone might be racist in the house, but the answer isn't to only have hms of one race to make sure that doesn't happen. Integration and exposure is necessary to remove prejudice and stigma against, for example, other races or people with disabilities.

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by Josy

You have completely ignored the entire point of the article and the charities cause.

You saying Gary shouldn't be in there is in fact discriminating against someone with a brain injury

Nothing to do with brain injuries but gary's mental state in having two brain operations which would change him as a result read the psychiatrist bit, the charity quite rightly are saying that the shows producers are not looking out for gary's needs.

The housemates only know about his motorcycle crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltTF...oNrw&index=157, second what about his friends and family knowing his last two reality tv shows he appeared on he was picked on why did they step in tell him no do not do it.

Housemates are subjected to a medical exam are they not, the psychiatrist Charles Sophy has commented that gary has problems that he himself is not taken into account, if that's the case if you were a producer on that show knowing that fact would you put gary on the show.

The psychiatrist was saying his behavior on celebrity rehab was not his is fault.

Charles Sophy clearly thinks he needs help if he didn't seek it after that show, how's going on big brother going to help him out long term.

How saying is he shouldn't be on that show is discriminating against gary, some people brain injured or not are not psychology able to cope with the big brother game show.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Nothing to do with brain injuries but gary's mental state in having two brain operations which would change him as a result read the psychiatrist bit, the charity quite rightly are saying that the shows producers are not looking out for gary's needs.

The housemates only know about his motorcycle crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltTF...oNrw&index=157, second what about his friends and family knowing his last two reality tv shows he appeared on he was picked on why did they step in tell him no do not do it.

Housemates are subjected to a medical exam are they not, the psychiatrist Charles Sophy has commented that gary has problems that he himself is not taken into account, if that's the case if you were a producer on that show knowing that fact would you put on the show.

The psychiatrist was saying his behavior on celebrity rehab was not his is fault.

Charles Sophy clearly thinks he needs help if he didn't seek it after that show, how's going on big brother going to help him out long term.

How saying is he shouldn't be on that show is discriminating against gary, some people brain injured or not are not psychology able to cope with the big brother game show.

Did you read the comment from channel 5 in regards to the charity?

They specifically said ALL housemates undergo separate medical testing before entering the house to ensure they are able to go on the show.

Gary has a brain injury and may need prompts for certain activities but he isn't incapable of doing things and he isn't showing any signs AT ALL of not being able to cope which is why I think jumping to the conclusion that he has a brain injury so he shouldn't be there is discriminating.

If Gary wants to do the show and he passed whatever medicals he needed to before entering then he has every right to be there.

[Patricia4]

Im with you on this Josy

[Jords]

The HMs have been ignorant and intolerant.

[Chuckyegg]

I never thought otherwise. I've never forgotten this channel is the pits. If channel 5 was a newspaper, the daily star would look down on it.

[smileymummy]

Omg! this is so infuriating! disabled people should not be barred from anything i totally agree! i have a child thats on the spectrum! however i am sure this programme is being edited to make it look like hes being victimised! you wait and watch every single person come out that house saying how awfull it was to live with him!!!! and it aint right really is it?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by smileymummy

Omg! this is so infuriating! disabled people should not be barred from anything i totally agree! i have a child thats on the spectrum! however i am sure this programme is being edited to make it look like hes being victimised! you wait and watch every single person come out that house saying how awfull it was to live with him!!!! and it aint right really is it?

Leslie never said he was awful to live with, he said he was hard work but not that he was awful.

[jet]

Look, what are we talking about here? Either Gary is capable or he isn't and the producers are the only ones that know that. Unless they are sadists, why would they let Rikki stand there and tell him he is dirty and disgusting, why would they let Stephanie say much the same thing standing over him stamping her foot and shouting in his face, why would they let George say he feels like he has come into an old peoples home and do NOTHING about it?
If Gary is considered by them to need even some leeway for any condition he may have then they need to address this pronto, because it's getting way past just being uncomfortable now.
If they know he is well capable for any of them and playing the game himself, then that's a different ballgame.
Either way, the concern over this is taking over the series which we all thought was going to be fun.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Josy

Leslie never said he was awful to live with, he said he was hard work but not that he was awful.

Tbh I was pleased with Leslies interview, he went up in my estimation a lot. It sounds as though he had actually listened and unerstood.

BB were wrong to ask James to moreorless look out for Gary as he is the worst one to do so, he just backstabs him. Now he is up Stephanies backsie because he fancies her (poor old wifey).

BB should have put Gary right in the direction of what to do if he was struggling. CBB would be great if we had great celebrities in there but we havent, as someone said the others should have just been in the ordinary one, then we neednt have watched it. I like true celebrities and the Americans have many. I do not know any of the others in this CBB. Sorry I knew James but he is forgettable, never liked him on Come Dancing, he may have had two left feet.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Tbh I was pleased with Leslies interview, he went up in my estimation a lot. It sounds as though he had actually listened and unerstood.

BB were wrong to ask James to moreorless look out for Gary as he is the worst one to do so, he just backstabs him. Now he is up Stephanies backsie because he fancies her (poor old wifey).

BB should have put Gary right in the direction of what to do if he was struggling. CBB would be great if we had great celebrities in there but we havent, as someone said the others should have just been in the ordinary one, then we neednt have watched it. I like true celebrities and the Americans have many. I do not know any of the others in this CBB. Sorry I knew James but he is forgettable, never liked him on Come Dancing, he may have had two left feet.

James was NOT told to look out for Gary, he was asked to help him integrate with the group initially because of his hearing problems because none of them were really taking that into account as much as they should.
If they HAD asked him to look out for him, it would have been grossly unfair on him or on anyone, as they have come into the house to enjoy themselves and it is difficult enough in there living with all those people without having responsibility for another person on your shoulders.
If you insist that he was asked to do that and I am mistaken, then maybe he feels a bit resentful? Because that would be understandable. But I still don't think he was. I think he likes Gary but he irritates him at the same time and I can see why. James isn't the most sensitive of people and is a twat a lot of the time but I think he means well.
When some of the Strictly dancers were teaching kids some moves he was patient and funny with them, The kids loved him and said he was their favourite. That counts for a lot.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

James was NOT told to look out for Gary, he was asked to help him integrate with the group initially because of his hearing problems because none of them were really taking that into account as much as they should.
If they HAD asked him to look out for him, it would have been grossly unfair on him or on anyone, as they have come into the house to enjoy themselves and it is difficult enough in there living with all those people without having responsibility for another person on your shoulders.
If you insist that he was asked to do that and I am mistaken, then maybe he feels a bit resentful? Because that would be understandable. But I still don't think he was. I think he likes Gary but he irritates him at the same time and I can see why. James isn't the most sensitive of people and is a twat a lot of the time but I think he means well.
When some of the Strictly dancers were teaching kids some moves he was patient and funny with them, The kids loved him and said he was their favourite. That counts for a lot.

Yes you are correct, BB did not ask him to look out for Gary they only suggested there was a possibility that Gary could be been isolated due to his hearing problem and for him & the group to take this into consideration.