[kirklancaster]

Anybody been watching this excellent and informative series on Channel 5?

Did anyone see this week's episode where investigative reporter Paul Connolly goes undercover to expose Benefit Cheats?

[user104658]

I try not to watch propaganda telly with such explicit political agendas, kirk. It's bad for the soul.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I try not to watch propaganda telly with such explicit political agendas, kirk. It's bad for the soul.

Aah - All is clear now T.S. why you have the attitudes and opinions you have, and why you - a very, very, intelligent man - exist in a state of almost total denial when it comes to certain subjects.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Aah - All is clear now T.S. why you have the attitudes and opinions you have, and why you - a very, very, intelligent man - exist in a state of almost total denial when it comes to certain subjects.

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

[Ammi]

..I don't think that anything is a good source in objectivity as such though, it all has it's slants and the angles it wants to choose as perspectives, it still provides discussions ..(as we see in most serious debates news stories ..)...it's just realising that it's not a balance, which I would say that we do...

[Ammi]

...but no, sorry I haven't been watching it Kirk...I suspect it's aired after 8pm which is my sleep time...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

No these program makers are mercenaries, who know that these "benefit porn" shows masquerading as journalism will sell well to trashy TV channels, owned by natural born Tories (I am not taking about the actual Tory party having a hand in the actual show).

They sell well because there's a public sat on their fat arses at home, baying for blood and tuning into these shows for something to gnash their teeth at when their faces aren't full of Doritos. Fuelled by a divisionist Tory mindset rolled out over the last 5 years by a scapegoating Tory government.


...

I've not much more to say on the subject. Enjoy your tellybox show, though.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

I agree to a point with the comments made by T.S but the fact remains that our current system is open to a vast number of frauds, from people who have come to rely on handouts as a way of life.

The Welfare system was set up to help families in extreme poverty to offer a safety net so individuals did not have to feed from bins and rubbish dumps,so children could go to school and not have to climb up chimneys for a living.

It was never meant to pay thousands of pounds in rent to house huge families of lazy idle scroungers who have never done a days work in their lives.

Now the system is even being exploited by people who don't even live in this country and have no connection to it. It is sheer madness

It is way past time for the Government of the day to say enough .

Reform of the welfare state is long overdue as we must try and change this strange mindset millions of people have where they think the govt must house,clothe and feed them for absolutely nothing in return.

Programs like this can focus on the more extreme examples but the fact remains this is a major issue that must be dealt with or the country will never get out of debt as the welfare bill forces govt to borrow money from the IMF or World Bank to balance our books.

The national debt is in the Trillions and we struggle to pay off the interest alone whilst the Golightly family live in a six bedroom house with plasma TVs in every room receiving thousands of pounds a year free money whilst the hardest work they have to do is drag their fat arses down to the dole office every fortnight to sign for more free money .

Shocking really.....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

Yes TS
but it still would be made
if Labour had power



Viacom/Ch5HD
gets funding to make these Public interests
Docus.


Watch Them TS
they can be Shocking and Fun.
But you can handle that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes TS
but it still would be made
if Labour had power



Viacom/Ch5HD
gets funding to make these Public interests
Docus.


Watch Them TS
they can be Shocking and Fun.
But you can handle that

Funding for propaganda? how novel.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

It's all very you poking fun at this issue but all of the above are causing problems for this Country and need to be examined.

Especially the uncontrolled migration issue which is an absolute scandal... Or perhaps it something you don't think is a problem in which case there is nothing more to say.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's all very you poking fun at this issue but all of the above are causing problems for this Country and need to be examined.

Especially the uncontrolled migration issue which is an absolute scandal... Or perhaps it something you don't think is a problem in which case there is nothing more to say.

I specifically said that it obviously is an issue. Acknowledging that it's an issue whilst also pointing out that these crap TV shows are sensationalism is not contradictory.

It's an issue, so reasonable, objectively thought out solutions need to be found.

Bob and Betty Couch Potato snarling and booing at their television is going to accomplish precisely **** all.

[arista]

[C5 made one of these 'documentaries' about flaws in the banking system that cost the taxpayer billions]


No Kizzy
thats Paul Masons job Ch4HD Docu's

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

[C5 made one of these 'documentaries' about flaws in the banking system that cost the taxpayer billions]


No Kizzy
thats Paul Masons job Ch4HD Docu's

So you agree that the 'povery porn' angle is propaganda in which C5 targets benefit claimants for scrutiny to the exclusion of many other societal issues?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you agree that the 'povery porn' angle is propaganda in which C5 targets benefit claimants for scrutiny to the exclusion of many other societal issues?

Ch5HD/Viacom
must get alternate viewers,


Poverty Porn
is also a Ch4HD project.

On that series of that street

The Lady Boss of Ch5
rushed to make a Live debate
on the Ch4 show.

I give Credit to that lady.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch5HD/Viacom
must get alternate viewers,


Poverty Porn
is also a Ch4HD project.

On that series of that street

The Lady Boss of Ch5
rushed to make a Live debate
on the Ch4 show.

I give Credit to that lady.

Lots of things are subject to C4 documentaries then? Yes I get that, so again why is the C5 lens so narrow?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lots of things are subject to C4 documentaries then? Yes I get that, so again why is the C5 lens so narrow?

But its not
it changing all the time,
Much of what is on now was done months back.


Ch4HD is pushing boundaries
on Monday 10PM "Muslim Dag Queens"
could start trouble

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Anybody been watching this excellent and informative series on Channel 5?

Did anyone see this week's episode where investigative reporter Paul Connolly goes undercover to expose Benefit Cheats?

I am so bored of people abusing benefits and these shows. yes it goes on but what about the other people doing wrong ? if you have allot of money does that make it less important if you commit fraud or any crime ? or is it just harder to investigate so these journalist go after the easy picking?

[Northern Monkey]

I don't actually think that C5 are that one sided.I've watched some of those benefit programmes which actually made me feel sorry for and gave me more understanding of the hardship some people on benefits face.I think it does actually show the good,bad and the ugly of benefits Britain.These shows do actually show the success stories too where people get jobs in the end.They are'nt as bad as people make out imo.
Not seen this one though Kirk.I'll have a look.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I don't actually think that C5 are that one sided.I've watched some of those benefit programmes which actually made me feel sorry for and gave me more understanding of the hardship some people on benefits face.I think it does actually show the good,bad and the ugly of benefits Britain.These shows do actually show the success stories too where people get jobs in the end.They are'nt as bad as people make out imo.
Not seen this one though Kirk.I'll have a look.

I beg you to watch it. Then I will post my thoughts and see if you agree.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I beg you to watch it. Then I will post my thoughts and see if you agree.

If it is the one I watched then I can tell you I was gobsmacked at how easy they made it look to get disability of whatever the heck if is called now..pip I thnk.
OMG at the woman that said she squeezed a bottle of water over her nether regions and the seat at the doctors and then said she had piddled her pants and had no control, and the lad that said his finger still hurt and couldn't work..he had broken it ages ago.
The buying of sick notes for a tenner as well..such a shame when there are many genuine people out there that get the knock back, yet the people who know how to work the system get away with it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If it is the one I watched then I can tell you I was gobsmacked at how easy they made it look to get disability of whatever the heck if is called now..pip I thnk.
OMG at the woman that said she squeezed a bottle of water over her nether regions and the seat at the doctors and then said she had piddled her pants and had no control, and the lad that said his finger still hurt and couldn't work..he had broken it ages ago.
The buying of sick notes for a tenner as well..such a shame when there are many genuine people out there that get the knock back, yet the people who know how to work the system get away with it.

I just watched one but it was different to that.It had a scouse toe rag who claimed for PTSD and anxiety whilst going out knicking cars and a load of foreigners claiming housing benefit and renting out rooms to like 15 people.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I just watched one but it was different to that.It had a scouse toe rag who claimed for PTSD and anxiety whilst going out knicking cars and a load of foreigners claiming housing benefit and renting out rooms to like 15 people.

That's the one Paul.

The Scouse in question brags of making thousands of pounds in illicit scams ranging from stealing cars to false insurance claims, whilst being on over £1,500 per month benefits, but admits that he is fit and could work. In fact at the end of the program when he is told he has been filmed and Paul Connolly identifies himself as an undercover reporter, Scouse sprints away faster than Hussein Bolt.

The program is peppered with the usual low-life scumbags who claim benefits whilst enjoying regular incomes from shoplifting - some of whom admit that they do not want work but could work if they wanted - but it is when the accent switches to Housing Benefit where the program confirms my own direct experiences and endorses what I have -- controversially -- said on these forums.

Every single case of Housing Benefit Fraud highlighted was being perpetrated by FOREIGNERS - IMMIGRANTS.

Council/Social Housing in London is - without a doubt - one of the scarcest, hardest to find commodities there is, but here we have examples of immigrants on benefits who are lucky enough to have secured such accommodation, letting out 15 bunk beds to other immigrants at £60.00 per week each (That's an illicit tax-free income of almost £50,000 per year - ON TOP OF THE BENEFITS WHICH THE BASTARDS OBVIOUSLY SHOULD NOT BE CLAIMING) and others on benefits illegally letting out single rooms in their council housing.

This is only one of DOZENS of documentaries over the years made by different companies for different channels which expose the same facts; Housing Benefit fraud on the larger scale is almost exclusively being perpetrated by immigrants/foreign born nationals.

Far from being 'Tory Propaganda' as some on here childishly and ridiculously claim, these programs are factual, and as such, the results of these undercover investigations should be shocking and alarming to those viewers whose own direct experiences have not already educated them to the abuses being exposed, because they are the tip of a very large iceberg.

The program makers quote that 'Benefit fraudsters' cost the country more than 1 billion pounds per year, and because that figure stems from 'official' sources, we can comfortably DOUBLE it.