[arista]

A clever program let them Dump loads of Toxic Diesel Cars
on the USA sales.
Tricked it to look like clean air.


But Now Found Out
The CEO must get sacked.

http://news.sky.com/story/1556950/vw...ssions-scandal





Still called "Clean Diesel" which was a Outright Lie

[Kizzy]

Electric cars for everyone!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Electric cars for everyone!!

The Problem is they are to High Priced


They should lease them.


Hybrids are best

[kirklancaster]

They should have a massive, massive fine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

They should have a massive, massive fine.

Yes USA is getting well over 4 Billion Dollars from
them.


Total Corruption

[JoshBB]

How awful. I hope their wrongly-earned profits are snatched from them and used to clean the air up. Serves them right

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

How awful. I hope their wrongly-earned profits are snatched from them and used to clean the air up. Serves them right

We AGREE Josh.

[bots]

wait till it is discovered that Ford etc are also doing it, then you will see the issue disappear under the carpet

[arista]

22,000 have Died from these fumes
in the UK.
ref : Ch4HD Live News

They should be Done With Murder

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

22,000 have Died from these fumes
in the UK.
ref : Ch4HD Live News

They should be Done With Murder

I don't think they can tie 22k deaths in the uk to volkswagen ... i call bollocks

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I don't think they can tie 22k deaths in the uk to volkswagen ... i call bollocks

Fair Point

[arista]

[kirklancaster]

The Germans trying to overload our country with immigrants and refugees and poisoning our citizens with toxic fumes. It all sounds so.... sinister.

[Kizzy]

I doubt they'll be tied to any deaths we disregard our own clean air laws anyway so there's no way it could ever be pinned on VW.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I doubt they'll be tied to any deaths we disregard our own clean air laws anyway so there's no way it could ever be pinned on VW.

Please refrain from using the collective 'WE' because I for one do NOT disregard our own clean air laws - I am out every morning with scrubbing brush and mop and bucket cleaning as much air as I can.

[arista]

The CEO has now
Resigned

So he bloody should
Corruption

http://news.sky.com/story/1557704/vo...ssions-scandal

[Livia]

All this fuss about emissions make me laugh when you look at China and India and other emerging economies. No one cares in the least about them cleaning up their act and demanding resignations if they don't. What's the point of a tiny proportion of the world being green while the rest of it is spewing out compounds straight into the stratosphere without a care in the world.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

All this fuss about emissions make me laugh when you look at China and India and other emerging economies. No one cares in the least about them cleaning up their act and demanding resignations if they don't. What's the point of a tiny proportion of the world being green while the rest of it is spewing out compounds straight into the stratosphere without a care in the world.

Yes they are far worse.

But these Diesel Cars
were in a USA Advert with a old lady holding
White Knickers at the Exhaust
saying look how clean they stay.


Dumping loads of Cars onto the USA Market
but the truth is they are Dirty Killing Fumes

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

All this fuss about emissions make me laugh when you look at China and India and other emerging economies. No one cares in the least about them cleaning up their act and demanding resignations if they don't. What's the point of a tiny proportion of the world being green while the rest of it is spewing out compounds straight into the stratosphere without a care in the world.

The argument that China and India have is that the west exploited the situation during their period of large industrial growth, without regard to the environment, so why should China and India be held back now during their growth period. They won't comply, and I can see their point. Lets also have some perspective in that every time a volcano erupts it makes our environmental targets in to a joke.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The argument that China and India have is that the west exploited the situation during their period of large industrial growth, without regard to the environment, so why should China and India be held back now during their growth period. They won't comply, and I can see their point. Lets also have some perspective in that every time a volcano erupts it makes our environmental targets in to a joke.

What point? We grew before anyone became aware of the dangers of carbon, use of heavy metals and other pollutants.. they know and they disregard the science that suggests levels are so high it may one day be impossible to sustain life... which begs the question, who are they growing for?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The argument that China and India have is that the west exploited the situation during their period of large industrial growth, without regard to the environment, so why should China and India be held back now during their growth period. They won't comply, and I can see their point. Lets also have some perspective in that every time a volcano erupts it makes our environmental targets in to a joke.

Why should they be held back? Because their abuse of the environment is breathtaking.

I think we have to move away from the mindset that every ill in the world is directly traceable back to us. Don't let's insist they do anything to improve their environmental record because it isn't their fault, it's ours, is an excuse that's really getting tired. In fact, we have propped up their economic rise with endless foreign aid. They've had their independence since the forties and while I applaud their monumental rise to the world stage, economically, it's come at a massive environmental cost. I'm not saying we should lower our environmental standards, I'm saying it's a bit rich asking us to pay through the nose for a "green" economy while other, larger countries are doing virtually nothing. All their crap from their factories and plants goes straight in the river. All their fossil fuel burning goes straight into the stratosphere. So I'd like to remind everyone that driving a Prius does not cancel out the environmental impact of your 'made in India' designer handbag

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

All this fuss about emissions make me laugh when you look at China and India and other emerging economies. No one cares in the least about them cleaning up their act and demanding resignations if they don't. What's the point of a tiny proportion of the world being green while the rest of it is spewing out compounds straight into the stratosphere without a care in the world.

no one would be surprised about a Chinese or Indian company manufacturing cars in this way... but we trusted Germany. that's the kick in the balls, it's Germany, supposedly the one country we can trust in Europe, the backbone. it's a very big deal.

You've never heard me say a bad word about post-war Germany here, but damn, this is disappointing.

Honestly i would say before this news, i would trust the German government over my own US government in terms of honesty. This has shattered my stupid illusions. This is a huge +1 for the California inspectors.

This just makes me realize how lucky i am to be in the US where we actually discovered this bull****, and at least my California government in the USA figured this out and called them out on it! It makes me trust the California government even more.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no one would be surprised about a Chinese or Indian company manufacturing cars in this way... but we trusted Germany. that's the kick in the balls, it's Germany, supposedly the one country we can trust in Europe, the backbone. it's a very big deal.

You've never heard me say a bad word about post-war Germany here, but damn, this is disappointing.

Honestly i would say before this news, i would trust the German government over my own US government in terms of honesty. This has shattered my stupid illusions. This is a huge +1 for the California inspectors.

This just makes me realize how lucky i am to be in the US where we actually discovered this bull****, and at least my California government in the USA figured this out and called them out on it! It makes me trust the California government even more.

How many times have we said that in the last 100 years?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many times have we said that in the last 100 years?

well i haven't been around for 100 years, but i know i won't take Germany for granted anymore. it's very disappointing. i really did trust them.

it's especially rude because i thought germany was so progressive and really wanted to reduce carbon emissions. now we can't take them seriously on climate change either.

i saw on the Guardian earlier they have a new leak that shows the UK, Germany, and France have all been in on the scam.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well i haven't been around for 100 years, but i know i won't take Germany for granted anymore. it's very disappointing. i really did trust them.

it's especially rude because i thought germany was so progressive and really wanted to reduce carbon emissions. now we can't take them seriously on climate change either.

i saw on the Guardian earlier they have a new leak that shows the UK, Germany, and France have all been in on the scam.

Nothing would surprise me, I bet every car manufacturer is in on it.