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Will. · 25-06-2016, 08:45 PM

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Johnnyuk123 · 25-06-2016, 08:45 PM

No.

Jack_ · 25-06-2016, 08:47 PM

Yes, and other than actually calling it in the first place (which should never have happened), David Cameron will rightly regret not granting them the vote.

Jordan. · 25-06-2016, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, and other than actually calling it in the first place (which should never have happened), David Cameron will rightly regret not granting them the vote.

Doubt it would have had much affect. Didn't 18-24 have the lowest turnout?

_Tom_ · 25-06-2016, 09:06 PM

No.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, and other than actually calling it in the first place (which should never have happened), David Cameron will rightly regret not granting them the vote.

The whole "this referendum should never have happened" attitude is emblematic of the EU's approach to democracy.

Jack_ · 25-06-2016, 11:22 PM

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Doubt it would have had much affect. Didn't 18-24 have the lowest turnout?

In the Scottish independence referendum, 75% of 16 and 17 year olds voted, which was more than 20% higher than the 18-24 cohort.

Even if it hadn't changed the result (which would surely mean there'd be no problem granting them a vote?), as the saying goes there should be no taxation without representation. The Scots set a great precedent in engaging young people in politics and the rest of the UK should've followed their lead.

Granting 16 and 17 year olds the vote would be the first step in reducing political apathy among the young. There are literally no legitimate arguments against it.

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The whole "this referendum should never have happened" attitude is emblematic of the EU's approach to democracy.

I've thought the referendum shouldn't happen for several years and if you searched hard enough I'm sure there's evidence of such on here of me saying so when holding one was being touted as a manifesto pledge for certain parties.

I've been against it from the start because I always knew the outcome of it would be dictated by a campaign of fear and misinformation propped up by the tabloid press, and I was right. In fact the reality was even worse than I could ever have envisaged since the remain campaign was just as awful and based on fear. No one spoke about the actual benefits of the EU, things that will matter to working people. It was trade, immigration and the economy on repeat for four months. And as a consequence we've ended up with the result I predicted way before the referendum legislation had passed through parliament.

An issue on this scale with the kind of press and politics we have today was never going to work, the electorate are just for the most part way too misinformed to be trusted with such a decision.

Mystic Mock · 26-06-2016, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by _Tom_

No.

The whole "this referendum should never have happened" attitude is emblematic of the EU's approach to democracy.

Democracy should also mean that the Media is suppose to point out the pros and cons of both campaigns, not praise everything about Leave, and then point out all of the cons and even add false stuff on so that they could make the EU look bad.

I mean

to the people that don't know that we vote in our own MEP's to represent us at the EU, that the EU somehow is responsible for the chaos at the NHS, and then call people like myself uninformed.

I'm no expert by any means, but at least I know the basics.

Also I don't see how it's patriotic to want to damage the country's Economy? You know only the most important thing to keep the country alive.

Drew. · 25-06-2016, 08:47 PM

A lot of 16/17 year olds are intelligent enough and know more than a lot of older people who have voted, considering this vote is to do with our generations future then yes, they do deserve to vote

GiRTh · 25-06-2016, 08:50 PM

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A lot of 16/17 year olds are intelligent enough and know more than a lot of older people who have voted, considering this vote is to do with our generations future then yes, they do deserve to vote

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Considering it'll affect them 50 years into the future, most certainly. Anyone who thinks all 16 year olds are stupid and uninformed need only look at the people who've just voted. If they can vote in Scottish elections they can vote in this.

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Jordan. · 25-06-2016, 08:48 PM

No

Shaun · 25-06-2016, 08:48 PM

Considering it'll affect them 50 years into the future, most certainly. Anyone who thinks all 16 year olds are stupid and uninformed need only look at the people who've just voted. If they can vote in Scottish elections they can vote in this.

Headie · 25-06-2016, 08:51 PM

Yes, myself and many of my friends are all very annoyed that we weren't allowed to vote because we're 17 yet we still have to pay adult price for transport tickets, concerts etc. How can you say we are not mature enough to decide on a vote yet we are mature enough to drive, work etc.?

DemolitionRed · 25-06-2016, 08:54 PM

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Yes, myself and many of my friends are all very annoyed that we weren't allowed to vote because we're 17 yet we still have to pay adult price for transport tickets, concerts etc. How can you say we are not mature enough to decide on a vote yet we are mature enough to drive, work etc.?

Crazy isn't it? You can get married, have children but you can't vote

hijaxers · 25-06-2016, 10:53 PM

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Crazy isn't it? You can get married, have children but you can't vote

Yes but its been the same for all of us, it actually got reduced from 21 to 18 when i got my first vote and i have voted ever since, getting a vote is a privilege and we should all use it , not just when it suits us.

Shaun · 25-06-2016, 08:54 PM

Yeah it only had 36% turnout. So this would probably only chuck in about 200,000 more voters under such turnouts. For all of the haranguing of the "pension vote" there could be a lot more done to engage young people.