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Before I start this, I want people to know that I am NOT bitter about Hughie not winning. That's not my issue at all. I also have no issue if any of you thought Jason deserved that win. With that said I want to freely give my say on this.

Jason for me, is one of the worst winners ever, and taints what would've been an amazing season. The main reason I think this is because he basically didn't do much and then did sudden randomly really important things every now and again. His personality itself was very uninteresting due to his lack of emotions and he was usually found to be interesting when he relied on interactions with others, such as Lateysha or Charlie or even Andy. He was never interesting on his own. He got all this sympathy for BB "provoking" him but I was not even feeling bad. If he really wanted to leave then he should've just went out the fire exit.

I don't mind game players (see Nasty Nick and Dexter), but Jason was not only an unlikable one, but an uninteresting one. He was unlikable because he repeatedly kept painting himself as this really nice guy when in actuality he was a game player. This technically isn't a bad thing on paper, but when you take Charlie into account, it really makes him hateable for me. If he was really a game player this whole time, then he used a vulnerable woman's emotions to make himself look better. So it's more of a slimy gameplayer rather than a likable one. Then he was uninteresting because his personality just does not fit the "game player" stigma. He's too reserved, he's too emotionless, and he didn't do anything besides random game changing moves, like nominating Charlie (she wouldn't have been up for eviction if he hadn't nominated her), evicting Lateysha, and then breaking down equipment to get sympathy, intentionally or not. He's just not a nice guy like he keeps saying. He may have deserved to rank high, but I really don't think unlikeable behaviour should be rewarded. He did not even get a warning for his damaging of equipment.

Even if Hughie had lost against, say, Jackson for example, I wouldn't mind. As much as I dislike Jackson he stood out much more than Jason so if he won over Hughie, I'd be much less mad. I could even say the same on Jayne, Evelyn, and Andy, regardless of my opinions on any of them.

It's perfectly fine if any of you thought he was a good winner. But I thought he was just a terrible one, plain and simple.

[Jamie89]

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

It all depends on what you want as a viewer doesnt it? Jason is a quiet reserved chap in general life, he said so himself so why would he ramp up certain traits just to keep in the house, thats not him been him is it?
They all cant be like Ryan, Hughie etc etc and i quite like the fact that there is a big mix of personalities.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ellen

It all depends on what you want as a viewer doesnt it? Jason is a quiet reserved chap in general life, he said so himself so why would he ramp up certain traits just to keep in the house, thats not him been him is it?
They all cant be like Ryan, Hughie etc etc and i quite like the fact that there is a big mix of personalities.

I'm not saying he has to be as big a personality like other housemates or put on a front, it's that I don't think he showed his true personality, or at least held back on it. So it's not his personality type I have an issue with, it's his hiding of his personality. He said himself that there's things he'd have said or done in real life that he was holding back on in the house, and we know from his 'game moves' (ie. Evicting someone he saw as having a good chance of beating him) that he wanted to win. So I think it's a fair assumption that the reason he was holding back was because it would otherwise damage his chances, rather than it being because he was being natural. And that goes against what I personally like to see in BB contestant because I want to be able to judge them on who they are naturally, rather than only judge the sides to them that they think will be the most appealing to the public.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not saying he has to be as big a personality like other housemates or put on a front, it's that I don't think he showed his true personality, or at least held back on it. So it's not his personality type I have an issue with, it's his hiding of his personality. He said himself that there's things he'd have said or done in real life that he was holding back on in the house, and we know from his 'game moves' (ie. Evicting someone he saw as having a good chance of beating him) that he wanted to win. So I think it's a fair assumption that the reason he was holding back was because it would otherwise damage his chances, rather than it being because he was being natural. And that goes against what I personally like to see in BB contestant because I want to be able to judge them on who they are naturally, rather than only judge the sides to them that they think will be the most appealing to the public.

I see it slightly different but Fair enough, i take your point

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My only issue with Jason as a winner is that I don't really feel like I know him. Like you said, he was reserved, and he held back a lot of his true self. So even if people like the Jason that they saw and voted for him based on that, I can't help but feel that his wariness of showing his true self kind of goes against what BB is about. And would he have won if he'd showed it?
Any of the housemates who were evicted because people didn't like 'x' about them, could have just hidden that particular flaw and possibly gone on to win. And surely voting a winner who has openly stated he's hiding certain aspects of his personality, is possibly going to effect how future contestants might behave/how much of themselves they show.
I liked Jason, but I wouldn't have voted for him to win based on all of that.

Personally, this is why I removed him my top fave to win list after he evicted Lateysha. You and I are on the same exact page, same paragraph on general impressions. I didn't understand it and though I still felt he was a good guy, I had no idea who he was even after that point and that for me goes against what the game is supposed to be about. I was not satisfied to just vote for a generally introverted/brutal gameplayer who has evil conversations with the dark villain slash logic magician Andy. I had hoped "he would've come out in a bigger way by now" I thought...

All that said...

Jason's winning is symbolic in this case because contrary to voting for a player based on a "winning personality", people voted for him based on a "winning strategy" (which his fans argue have a lot to do with he actually thinks and does as a person).

His win almost certainly stands out in an era of untimely accidents (such as Donald Trump's popularity) and referendums such as Brexit where people dare to buck the trend, maybe even dream and not just default to the most socially acceptable answer(s).

However I may feel personally about such developments, I'm actually thrilled, because it give us all hope that when the next BB rolls around, our "unlikely" favorites who we usually feel can't win against certain crowds could possibly rise up and come out over the top and even possibly win. In addition to this, we had our first boot being a male for the very first time.

If you ask me, these are all signs that BB is moving in a direction for the better, not for worse.

My two cents.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Maru

Personally, this is why I removed him my top fave to win list after he evicted Lateysha. You and I are on the same exact page, same paragraph on general impressions. I didn't understand it and though I still felt he was a good guy, I had no idea who he was even after that point and that for me goes against what the game is supposed to be about. I was not satisfied to just vote for a generally introverted/brutal gameplayer who has evil conversations with the dark villain slash logic magician Andy. I had hoped "he would've come out in a bigger way by now" I thought...

All that said...

Jason's winning is symbolic in this case because contrary to voting for a player based on a "winning personality", people voted for him based on a "winning strategy" (which his fans argue have a lot to do with he actually thinks and does as a person).

His win almost certainly stands out in an era of untimely accidents (such as Donald Trump's popularity) and referendums such as Brexit where people dare to buck the trend, maybe even dream and not just default to the most socially acceptable answer(s).

However I may feel personally about such developments, I'm actually thrilled, because it give us all hope that when the next BB rolls around, our "unlikely" favorites who we usually feel can't win against certain crowds could possibly rise up and come out over the top and even possibly win. In addition to this, we had our first boot being a male for the very first time.

If you ask me, these are all signs that BB is moving in a direction for the better, not for worse.

My two cents.

Wow, great post Maru!

[Kazanne]

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

Well if you read it, it does say IMO.LOL

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well if you read it, it does say IMO.LOL

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...

True,the victory is sweet

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Not worth it kaz..sore losers comes to mind,he won get over it...

No sore losers here. I personally am not bothered whether he or anyone else won, we are just analysing BB HMs, that's what happens on a BB forum, get over it

[tanussa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

it was the opinion of all those who made him the winner, which apparently was a majority

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by tanussa

it was the opinion of all those who made him the winner, which apparently was a majority

Ok still an opinion mans I doubt every single person who voted for Jason to win think the same...

[Cowhead]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Think that's a matter of opinion lol.

This whole thread is opinions. IMO Hughie sucked and should have been one of the first evicted. Jason and Andy and Jackson were my picks to win almost from day one.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jason is not a bad winner ,he is only a bad winner to those who lost their faves or won over their faves,simple as that,imo he was a worthy winner

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

That is your opinion not mine,ALL the housemates carry each other to an extent ,I don't think the other housemates were better than Jason , Jason,Andy,Jayne,Jackson, and Alex were all decent housemates,they were not always selfish two faced and nasty,I have no time for people like that,it's not entertaining for me.

[Vanessa]

Jason won and no one can take it away from him.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is your opinion not mine,ALL the housemates carry each other to an extent ,I don't think the other housemates were better than Jason , Jason,Andy,Jayne,Jackson, and Alex were all decent housemates,they were not always selfish two faced and nasty,I have no time for people like that,it's not entertaining for me.

Yes, it is an opinion. Thank you for stating the obvious.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What exactly did he do in that house that wasn't down to Charlie or Andy?

He evicted Lateysha which would have signed his eviction notice if it hadn't been for Andy and Charlie boosting his chances. It's not bitter to dislike the fact that Jason won, it's a valid opinion because he won when his victory was a result of better HMs carrying him.

He behaved like a decent human being in the face of an almighty unfair onslaught. One doesn't need to be a loudmouth to be seen as the best, nor does one need to create fake drama. In my opinion, that's why he won.

At the end of the day, it was at least a close result between 1st and second, so opinion is going to be split in nearly equal numbers, but for me it reflects the 2 camps that watch BB and what they see as entertainment

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

He behaved like a decent human being in the face of an almighty unfair onslaught. One doesn't need to be a loudmouth to be seen as the best, nor does one need to create fake drama. In my opinion, that's why he won.

At the end of the day, it was at least a close result between 1st and second, so opinion is going to be split in nearly equal numbers, but for me it reflects the 2 camps that watch BB and what they see as entertainment

Well said...

[Tribal Spaceman]

He was also aggressive, grumpy and two-faced.
He should have been removed from the house for damaging cameras and fittings, no question. He received a favourable edit for the last couple of weeks of the show, which was awful to see.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

He was also aggressive, grumpy and two-faced.
He should have been removed from the house for damaging cameras and fittings, no question. He received a favourable edit for the last couple of weeks of the show, which was awful to see.

How many of them damaged the fire escape doors without any sign of a fire?...nobody called them aggressive thugs and asked for their removal..

[Strictly Jake]

I haven't watched the final but I'm actually shocked Jason won! I really disliked him when he evicted Lateysha, but I was fully on his side with the whole Charlie thing despite her being one of my favourites very early on, but I genuinely don't remember him doing all that much, mainly sitting in the smoking area having shifty eyes and looking miserable so I'm not happy about him winning, not because I didn't like him because he came across as quite nice this past few days, but because I don't think he was the most entertaining, and I don't remember that much that he did, I wanted Jayne or Andy to win, Jayne was unrealistic I was hoping for her to be a third place queen, but Andy really deserved it in my opinion and I think he needed it on behalf of his career, I do think Jason played a bit of a game, but anyway it's over and done with and well done to him