[Crimson Dynamo]

well well....




The Bank had issued dire warnings against a vote to leave the European Union, with governor Mark Carney even saying the country could slip into recession.

Instead, the FTSE 100 closed on a record high for the sixth consecutive time on Thursday, the same day figures were released suggesting Britain was the fastest-growing of the advanced economies last year, with the services sector hitting a 17-month high.

BoE chief economist Andy Haldane said criticism of economists for failing to predict the financial crisis and the impact of the Brexit vote were a "fair cop", adding that the economics profession was "to some degree in crisis".

http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/boe-chi...t-criticism-w/

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In other words they got it spectacularly wrong with their doom-mongering and i think our Nigel may well have called that one as well..

[arista]

Yes Blame Poor Old Fish LT


Pathetic Haldane fella

[MB.]

That's because absolutely nothing has happened in regards to Brexit yet

[arista]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's because absolutely nothing has happened in regards to Brexit yet

Well the pound changed
but bounced back

After March this year
we may get some changes
as we start LEAVING the Corrupt EU

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's because absolutely nothing has happened in regards to Brexit yet

The point is they forecast doom would begin immediately on the result of a leave vote and it didn't happen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's because absolutely nothing has happened in regards to Brexit yet

Yes, but it was said that there would be an immediate effect with companies from overseas panicking and removing their business from Britain based on the knowledge that Brexit and leaving the EU was what the British people had voted for. That has not happened.

[Northern Monkey]

You have to remember that these so called 'expert economists' are renowned for getting it wrong.They hardly ever predict anything right.There were dire predictions for June 24th and none of it happened.They are to be taken with a huge pinch of salt.
Even the FT thinks they're useless.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.f...?client=safari

[user104658]

We're still in the EU though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We're still in the EU though

yes and I believe that was the response from every tibb brexiteer for weeks after the vote when faced with the silly scare-mongering




you

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and I believe that was the response from every tibb brexiteer for weeks after the vote when faced with the silly scare-mongering




you

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My point is more that the Brexitkru have been insistent that the economy is stifled and can't improve because of EU laws and red tape... And yet now crowing about economic improvements like its down to Brexit, when in fact we are still bound by exactly the same EU "laws and red tape" as we ever were .

So all you can actually say is that some people were wrong about the consequences of the vote itself / financial confidence etc... Which is fair enough... But it has absolutely zero bearing on the actual effect of Brexit in practice, which we are still years away from . Surely, LT, you're not one of the thick chavs I get ranting at work about how we're "out of Europe now!" since the day after the vote...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My point is more that the Brexitkru have been insistent that the economy is stifled and can't improve because of EU laws and red tape... And yet now crowing about economic improvements like its down to Brexit, when in fact we are still bound by exactly the same EU "laws and red tape" as we ever were .

So all you can actually say is that some people were wrong about the consequences of the vote itself / financial confidence etc... Which is fair enough... But it has absolutely zero bearing on the actual effect of Brexit in practice, which we are still years away from . Surely, LT, you're not one of the thick chavs I get ranting at work about how we're "out of Europe now!" since the day after the vote...

just pointing out that most of the tibb remainers were wrong

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

just pointing out that most of the tibb remainers were wrong

About what? You can't possibly claim to know whether Brexit will be good or bad for the economy, because it hasn't happened yet. No one has been proven right or wrong .

[Tom4784]

The results of the Brexit alone had an negative impact, it's not exactly sometihng to celebrate that we only recovered because we're still in the EU.

This makes me think of people who deny Global Warming is a thing, you can convince yourself all you want that things are all rosy but that won't change the reality of what's going to happen.

The financial issue isn't even the worst part of it though, Brexit only went through because the government's under investigation for Human Rights' abuse by the EU due to the welfare cuts that the Tories proposed a while back. After we leave I'd bet those proposals will resurface.

It's sad how easy it is to get people to sign away their rights the second you mention immigrants.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The results of the Brexit alone had an negative impact, it's not exactly sometihng to celebrate that we only recovered because we're still in the EU.

This makes me think of people who deny Global Warming is a thing, you can convince yourself all you want that things are all rosy but that won't change the reality of what's going to happen.

The financial issue isn't even the worst part of it though, Brexit only went through because the government's under investigation for Human Rights' abuse by the EU due to the welfare cuts that the Tories proposed a while back. After we leave I'd bet those proposals will resurface.

It's sad how easy it is to get people to sign away their rights the second you mention immigrants.

It's a shame the rest of the EU aren't doing as well as we are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ght-talks.html

"The terms are harsher by a full order of magnitude than those rejected by Greek voters in a landslide referendum a week ago, and therefore can never command democratic assent. They must be carried through by a Greek parliament still dominated by MPs from Left and Right who loathe every line of the summit statement, the infamous SN 4070/15, and have only agreed – if they have agreed – with a knife to their throats." EU

"In doing so they reverted to the nationalist European power struggles of the 19th and early 20th century. They demoted the eurozone into a toxic fixed exchange-rate system, with a shared single currency, run in the interests of Germany, held together by the threat of absolute destitution for those who challenge the prevailing order. The best thing that can be said of the weekend is the brutal honesty of those perpetrating this regime change.

We will soon be asking ourselves whether this new eurozone, in which the strong push around the weak, can be sustainable. Previously, the strongest argument against any forecasts of break-up has been the strong political commitment of all its members. If you ask Italians why they are in the eurozone, few have ever pointed to the economic benefits. They wanted to be part of the most ambitious project of European integration undertaken so far." Written by German economic commentator Wolfgang Munchau EU

A eurozone official is quoted as saying in the Financial Times: "They crucified Tsipras in there. Crucified.”

Not sure what rights you think people are signing away. Blaming it on immigration is just ignorance based on Tabloid sensationalism.

Brexit only went through because the government's under investigation for Human Rights' abuse by the EU due to the welfare cuts that the Tories proposed a while back. This sentence doesn't make sense to me. Brexit hasn't 'gone through' yet but if you are referring to this investigation being the reason people voted for Brexit I can't see where you have evidence of that and it rather contradicts your statement about immigration. Lost me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Brexit only went through because the government's under investigation for Human Rights' abuse by the EU due to the welfare cuts that the Tories proposed a while back. This sentence doesn't make sense to me. Brexit hasn't 'gone through' yet but if you are referring to this investigation being the reason people voted for Brexit I can't see where you have evidence of that and it rather contradicts your statement about immigration. Lost me.

It only doesn't make sense if you still believe in the integrity of democracy, rather than it being fairly evident that democratic votes in the "information age" are largely decided via mass media manipulation and a form of viral advertising.

Powerful people with vested interests decided that Brexit was the best path for them to achieve the things they are seeking to achieve, therefore Brexit happened. The same goes for Trump, now quite obviously. He ran a campaign that placed a large emphasis on "draining the swamp" in Washington; instead it already looks like the Washington Swamp is going to be declared a national park, and all of the corrupt ****ers in it will be a protected species. Such surprised.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It only doesn't make sense if you still believe in the integrity of democracy, rather than it being fairly evident that democratic votes in the "information age" are largely decided via mass media manipulation and a form of viral advertising.

Powerful people with vested interests decided that Brexit was the best path for them to achieve the things they are seeking to achieve, therefore Brexit happened. The same goes for Trump, now quite obviously. He ran a campaign that placed a large emphasis on "draining the swamp" in Washington; instead it already looks like the Washington Swamp is going to be declared a national park, and all of the corrupt ****ers in it will be a protected species. Such surprised.

Do you know "Big Brother" personally TS?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Do you know "Big Brother" personally TS?

We all do Jaxie, some of us are just more acutely aware of him

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The results of the Brexit alone had an negative impact, it's not exactly sometihng to celebrate that we only recovered because we're still in the EU.

This makes me think of people who deny Global Warming is a thing, you can convince yourself all you want that things are all rosy but that won't change the reality of what's going to happen.

The financial issue isn't even the worst part of it though, Brexit only went through because the government's under investigation for Human Rights' abuse by the EU due to the welfare cuts that the Tories proposed a while back. After we leave I'd bet those proposals will resurface.

It's sad how easy it is to get people to sign away their rights the second you mention immigrants.

The welfare cuts by the government were a reaction to the increased amount being spent on benefits - much of which is going to immigrants who sponge off our system.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The welfare cuts by the government were a reaction to the increased amount being spent on benefits - much of which is going to immigrants who sponge off our system.

This is what happens when you take the comments section of the Daily Mail as gospel.

You are proving me right, the mere mention of immigration has caused you to gloss over the Human Rights abuse in an attempt to blame them for our current issues. Just like I said in the post you quoted.

The only thing you and any Leaver achieved by voting Leave was making our Human Rights more open to abuse. Immigration won't change, we won't get more funds for public services but the Government won't have to worry about Eu interference if they decide to go after the most vulnerable people in our society again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is what happens when you take the comments section of the Daily Mail as gospel.

You are proving me right, the mere mention of immigration has caused you to gloss over the Human Rights abuse in an attempt to blame them for our current issues. Just like I said in the post you quoted.

The only thing you and any Leaver achieved by voting Leave was making our Human Rights more open to abuse. Immigration won't change, we won't get more funds for public services but the Government won't have to worry about Eu interference if they decide to go after the most vulnerable people in our society again.

Bingo.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is what happens when you take the comments section of the Daily Mail as gospel.

You are proving me right, the mere mention of immigration has caused you to gloss over the Human Rights abuse in an attempt to blame them for our current issues. Just like I said in the post you quoted.

The only thing you and any Leaver achieved by voting Leave was making our Human Rights more open to abuse. Immigration won't change, we won't get more funds for public services but the Government won't have to worry about Eu interference if they decide to go after the most vulnerable people in our society again.

I disagree - I think immigration will change. You keep stating this as fact but it is just your opinion. Mine is different. If you feel you have proof of this then feel free to present it because as far as I am aware no-one can state that as a fact at this point.

It just seems to me that you are attempting to influence the views of those who are unsure into believing there isn't/was no point in voting for Brexit as immigration won't change. Unless you claim to know those in the know and are privy to information unknown to the rest of us then it is simply speculation.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I disagree - I think immigration will change. You keep stating this as fact but it is just your opinion. Mine is different. If you feel you have proof of this then feel free to present it because as far as I am aware no-one can state that as a fact at this point.

It just seems to me that you are attempting to influence the views of those who are unsure into believing there isn't/was no point in voting for Brexit as immigration won't change. Unless you claim to know those in the know and are privy to information unknown to the rest of us then it is simply speculation.

It won't change because, despite what Theresa May says, we are likely going to have a soft brexit and forge a deal to remain in the Single Market and if that's the case then EU immigration isn't likely to change much and leaving the EU won't affect immigration from non-EU states thus my statement that immigration will not be affected by Brexit, thus voting for Brexit based on immigration was pointless.

I've not stated anything that is opinion as fact, must I sign everything with 'in my opinion' despite the fact that it should be obvious? Was I wrong to assume you could tell the difference between fact and opinion?

It doesn't matter what you believe, the people voted leave so trying to influence opinions is pointless now. You and the rest of the Leave voters have got to live with your mistakes.
I'm simply stating my opinion, some facts about the UK's Human Rights abuse and my informed thoughts on those facts which is more than the 'IMMIGRANTS ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING, THEY TOOK MY DOG AND DESTROYED MY HARVEST' stance you're taking.

[jaxie]

If the government is under investigation by the EU for being thoroughly bad sorts, (I nearly typed sots there). Who is investigating the EU for their disgusting treatment of Greece, overriding their democracy, the voice of their people through referendum and for bringing down yet another Greek government?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If the government is under investigation by the EU for being thoroughly bad sorts, (I nearly typed sots there). Who is investigating the EU for their disgusting treatment of Greece, overriding their democracy, the voice of their people through referendum and for bringing down yet another Greek government?

And none of that changes the fact that our government are under investigation for Human Rights abuse against disabled people.

The act of trying to distract somebody from focusing on something bad by saying 'that thing over there is also bad so that somehow vindicates this bad thing for some reason!' is foolishness.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And none of that changes the fact that our government are under investigation for Human Rights abuse against disabled people.

The act of trying to distract somebody from focusing on something bad by saying 'that thing over there is also bad so that somehow vindicates this bad thing for some reason!' is foolishness.

So who investigates the EU abuse?