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25-01-2017, 10:42 AM | #1 | |||
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This video is about a passage from Plato's Republic, it's about how democracy can give way to tyranny. How people, tiring of the endless choices and decisions in a democracy, the insecurities, will put their faith in a leader, a strong man, who promises to ease all of the burdens a democracy places on its citizens. This is after a period where old social structures start to break down and "elites" are distrusted. Sound familiar to anyone?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38664789
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25-01-2017, 11:40 AM | #2 | ||
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25-01-2017, 11:59 AM | #3 | |||
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How do we know it can't be worse?
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25-01-2017, 12:14 PM | #4 | ||
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Because I have at least an average IQ.
Seriously are you attempting to suggest there is any merit, particularly for women, to have all their rights removed by a dictatorship, especially those of a religious persuasion who tend to view a female role very much as one of sub-mission believing they should have no say in their own lives. Such dictatorships create a perfect environment for physical and sexual abuse. |
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25-01-2017, 12:37 PM | #5 | |||
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If you want to discuss women’s rights within a dictatorship, then you are merely trying to change the topic.
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25-01-2017, 12:53 PM | #6 | ||
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Comes across as anti-Trump rhetoric from the BBC - not exactly any surprise from them.
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25-01-2017, 01:03 PM | #7 | ||
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So because it's not a religious oligarchy, it must be OK? Is this really where we're headed? Not questioning things because "some other things are worse"?
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25-01-2017, 01:27 PM | #8 | ||
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I doubt many who have lived their lives under a democracy, with the power of free thought, would agree, except perhaps for those with emotional issues who are desperately looking for an 'answer' to their problems. I doubt they would find that answer under a dictatorship. Is there a middle ground that offers some alternative? Please enlighten me. Unless you can come up with something that would change human nature I fail to see what else there is. That video is just being used to paint Trump as the next Hitler and is just the BBC trying to take advantage of what they perceive as a susceptible audience - a weak attempt to rock the boat. |
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25-01-2017, 01:40 PM | #9 | ||
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In other words, a man like Trump, or the "daddy state" Tory government. People will WILLINGLY surrender (and are doing so) their freedoms and liberties in exchange for the "protection" of a tyrant. DR's suggestion (one that I agree with) is that we are seeing this happening, right now, and at an increasing pace. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 25-01-2017 at 01:41 PM. |
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25-01-2017, 02:12 PM | #10 | |||
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25-01-2017, 02:49 PM | #11 | ||
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In my opinion that video was a weak attempt at taking advantage of the situation and attempting to make people question their own belief systems and decisions they have made regarding Brexit and Trump. I think it ridiculous to imply our own government and Trump are attempting to get British and American citizens to 'give ip democracy' and their freedoms. Neither are a dictatorship. The whole thing is extremely manipulative. Last edited by Brillopad; 25-01-2017 at 02:52 PM. |
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25-01-2017, 12:20 PM | #12 | |||
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If not kept in check I'd say it's at risk of corruption, any voting system can be rigged, gerrymandering, misinformation, propaganda, mistruths and media influence all add to this.
You think you have a choice? You don't.
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25-01-2017, 12:22 PM | #13 | ||
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There is a choice - some choice or no choice.
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25-01-2017, 01:35 PM | #14 | |||
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27-01-2017, 02:00 AM | #15 | |||
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Democracy at it's purest form is a great idea, but people do often get manipulated into not voting for their best interests, it's why Donald Trump is President of America, and why we're got Thresa May in Office in this country which she seems to be even more incompetent than Trump who is at least going for people setting up businesses in foreign countries instead of hiring in their own country. But I'm sure the Media in this country will pretend that everything Thresa May does is great because they don't want people to have their own free will and realise that they're being played by the Tories.
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27-01-2017, 07:18 AM | #16 | |||
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Any attempt at freedom of thought or expression is slapped down as pc, sjw, or some other derisory term. We are all being played. Brexit means brexit.....erm, but business owners can still have the eastern European agency workers for their cheap labour obv.
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28-01-2017, 08:43 AM | #17 | ||
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PC uses derisory terms to attempt to intimidate others out of expressing free thought when not in keeping with PC thinking - so yes I agree we are certainly being played. PC has become the monster it claims to abhor. Last edited by Brillopad; 28-01-2017 at 09:24 AM. |
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28-01-2017, 09:47 AM | #18 | |||
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We are all sick of having to supress truths by policing our own words/language. Millions of us, in fact hundreds of millions of us have been stopped from expressing our dissatisfaction because of PC. The opponents of political correctness always said they were crusaders against authoritarianism. In fact, anti-PC has paved the way for the populist authoritarianism now spreading everywhere. Trump is anti-political correctness gone mad. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...y-donald-trump
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25-01-2017, 12:55 PM | #19 | ||
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Sounds interesting.I'll check it out later when have time
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25-01-2017, 02:05 PM | #20 | ||
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TS and DR have it spot on, pretty much.
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25-01-2017, 08:24 PM | #21 | ||
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Liberalism leads to tyranny and bankruptcy
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25-01-2017, 08:33 PM | #22 | ||
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26-01-2017, 06:41 AM | #23 | ||
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So basically there is no perfect system.All paths lead to the same outcome?You can start with tyranny or get there much slower.Democracy leads to option paralysis and the people start to crave authoritarianism?
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26-01-2017, 08:53 AM | #24 | |||
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Plato (Greek philosopher) wrote, Democracy’s key feature is that everyone becomes a lover of tolerance, but he also stated that tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society. Plato described how unrestrained freedom or unbalanced freedoms would eventually lead to unrestrained financial irresponsibility and with not enough money to go round, bickering and fighting would result, leading to chaos and anarchy. That people will begin to look for someone to come along and fix the mess... A leader of men... a Master. He notes,"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Plato warns "Democracy without virtue would end in chaos out of which a tyrant would arise." http://freedomoutpost.com/plato-explains-tyrants-arise/
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26-01-2017, 09:06 AM | #25 | ||
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I have actually been meaning to read some Plato and Socrates at some point after i've finished with the Bible.Very interesting. |
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