[chuff me dizzy]

Oh dear me, the twins finally found their gonads last night in courtroom ,not only having an attack on Nicola, but brave enough to also have a go at the rest of the hm8s ,and Austin ,its good to act Berty Big Bollox when you are protected by BB ,but if I were them i would rip up the invite to the wrap party ,because i think they are in for a big shock ,attacking Austin,JJ,Calum,Jamie and not expecting revenge ?
If i were them I would sort these brats out before they got through the wrap party doors ,real men ( not just a number on a birth certificate) will not stand for all they think they can dish out when they are wearing their 12 yr olds head
I showed my daughter (Big Jedward fan,who claims they are harmless) the courtroom clip last night, she was gobsmacked

Bit of advice Jedward,be very careful of who you make an enemy of, BB wont always be there to protect you

[sampvt]

I doubt it will bother them Chuff. Once they get out of there, Mummy will surround them with yes men again and allow them to do al the things they love like play in the mud and talk baby talk all day long.

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Originally Posted by sampvt

I doubt it will bother them Chuff. Once they get out of there, Mummy will surround them with yes men again and allow them to do al the things they love like play in the mud and talk baby talk all day long.

If I were Mummy I would strongly advise them not to go to the wrap party, grown men are not going to take abuse from 2 deluded ,nasty little twats ,Austin was ready to rip their heads off last night, you could see it in his eyes ,how dare a joke act say "This is your last time on TV "to him and not expect payback ? Silly boys

[Babayaro.]

You're actually obsessed.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

You're actually obsessed.

Stick to discussing the hm8s please

[waterhog]

its pantomime in the house and like you say when they are out they will continue surrounded by people saying how much they love them - which just feeds this.

[Babayaro.]

Also, your "real men" argument is so tedious

[Jack_]

What actually is a 'real man' and what does embodying one entail? Because this post seems to be insinuating that to be one you must be aggressive, confrontational and dare I say even violent

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What actually is a 'real man' and what does embodying one entail? Because this post seems to be insinuating that to be one you must be aggressive, confrontational and dare I say even violent

Jack you well know there is no correct answer to that question so one must question the motive that you have for asking it. ''Real man'' is a colloquialism for a specific point of view. Its like asking someone to define heavenly, or explain what bromance means. In the past friends have called their best mates wankers, does that mean they walk around all day with dick in hand, of course not. Leave Chuff alone, this real man thing has run its course.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack you well know there is no correct answer to that question so one must question the motive that you have for asking it. ''Real man'' is a colloquialism for a specific point of view. Its like asking someone to define heavenly, or explain what bromance means. In the past friends have called their best mates wankers, does that mean they walk around all day with dick in hand, of course not. Leave Chuff alone, this real man thing has run its course.

Glad you agree!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack you well know there is no correct answer to that question so one must question the motive that you have for asking it. ''Real man'' is a colloquialism for a specific point of view. Its like asking someone to define heavenly, or explain what bromance means. In the past friends have called their best mates wankers, does that mean they walk around all day with dick in hand, of course not. Leave Chuff alone, this real man thing has run its course.

I'm glad you acknowledge there isn't a correct answer. That's precisely why I'm asking the question, because when someone (not just the OP) talks of how 'real men' will or would act, it's important to qualify that and find out what kind of behaviour and mannerisms constitute a 'real man'. The problem isn't so much the defining of what it is, but that in doing so you're defining what it is not. And the notion that someone may not be a 'real man' (or indeed woman) because they do or do not act in a certain manner could very well be quite offensive to some - which is the issue in the first place.

As for the bit in bold, hasn't it just.

[chuff me dizzy]

Question for all you Jedward fans .... Would they have spoken to Austin outside of the house as they did in the courtroom ? would they talk over Calum,Jamie outside the house like they've done in it ?

No they wouldn't dare ,and that my friends is the sign of a coward

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Question for all you Jedward fans .... Would they have spoken to Austin outside of the house as they did in the courtroom ? would they talk over Calum,Jamie outside the house like they've done in it ?

No they wouldn't dare ,and that my friends is the sign of a coward

They'd probably do the mature thing and just walk away from him outside of the house

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm glad you acknowledge there isn't a correct answer. That's precisely why I'm asking the question, because when someone (not just the OP) talks of how 'real men' will or would act, it's important to qualify that and find out what kind of behaviour and mannerisms constitute a 'real man'. The problem isn't so much the defining of what it is, but that in doing so you're defining what it is not. And the notion that someone may not be a 'real man' (or indeed woman) because they do or do not act in a certain manner could very well be quite offensive to some - which is the issue in the first place.

As for the bit in bold, hasn't it just.

so by using that analogy, it would only be people that feel they dont fall into the category of real men that will be upset. Based on those findings, where should these outsiders sit in respect of the human gender issue. Surely its up to all of us to be allowed to be viewed however we feel we should be viewed. I think the issue here is not what a real man constitutes, but what some people perception of the real man issue means.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

so by using that analogy, it would only be people that feel they dont fall into the category of real men that will be upset. Based on those findings, where should these outsiders sit in respect of the human gender issue. Surely its up to all of us to be allowed to be viewed however we feel we should be viewed. I think the issue here is not what a real man constitutes, but what some people perception of the real man issue means.

No, it would be people who feel like their very sense of self is being called into question by other people whom are trying to position their behaviour, mannerisms and characteristics as somehow not properly masculine. It goes further than that though, because ingrained within such a notion is the belief that femininity constitutes weakness and vulnerability (a separate discussion altogether) - which is a rather insulting supposition to cast upon somebody because they don't embody particular traits that make up a 'real man'.

Taken to its logical conclusion, this poisonous idea - that one is only masculine through the continual doing of certain actions - can, is and has been used to harass, bully, subjugate, assault and even kill people who don't conform to upholding 'proper' masculinity. It thus needs to be questioned and taken apart at every opportunity.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What actually is a 'real man' and what does embodying one entail? Because this post seems to be insinuating that to be one you must be aggressive, confrontational and dare I say even violent

From the poster past a real man is a straight man who cheats on hi wife and family

[sampvt]

I can put up with the inane antics like the shaving foam and the soap suds, they are just pathetic. What really gets my goat is the fake american accent and the talking to eachother in baby speak, thats a seriously psychological issue they need to be talked to about.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I can put up with the inane antics like the shaving foam and the soap suds, they are just pathetic. What really gets my goat is the fake american accent and the talking to eachother in baby speak, thats a seriously psychological issue they need to be talked to about.

Something else that pisses me off is they are SO sly,sneaky ,they cannot make eye contact with anyone, even JC when he was talking nice to them in the kitchen, people who cannot look you in the eye should never be trusted,I agree Sam they have serious mental health problems

[user104658]

Are you serious Chuff? I thought you were a worldly type... you can't SERIOUSLY be trying to make out that Calum Best, Jamie and Austin and James J are some sort of violent "Hard Men" who are going to get physical with Jedward. Even if they WERE it would be a ****ing pathetic thing to do .

But yeah. They wouldn't even try. They might chip their nails.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you serious Chuff? I thought you were a worldly type... you can't SERIOUSLY be trying to make out that Calum Best, Jamie and Austin and James J are some sort of violent "Hard Men" who are going to get physical with Jedward. Even if they WERE it would be a ****ing pathetic thing to do .

But yeah. They wouldn't even try. They might chip their nails.

Why would it be pathetic ? Jedward are 25 yr old GROWN MEN who shoot off their mouths when security is at hand, lets see how big they are when security isn't there

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why would it be pathetic ? Jedward are 25 yr old GROWN MEN who shoot off their mouths when security is at hand, lets see how big they are when security isn't there

Physically assaulting someone for being "bitchy" with you is the sign of a weak, pathetic, unintelligent manbaby. Full stop.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Physically assaulting someone for being "bitchy" with you is the sign of a weak, pathetic, unintelligent manbaby. Full stop.

It was beyond bitchy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was beyond bitchy

Doesn't matter. Physically attacking someone for ANYTHING they have said is weak and pathetic. I'm not sure you know any "real men" chuff . Just violent sad li'l boys.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you serious Chuff? I thought you were a worldly type... you can't SERIOUSLY be trying to make out that Calum Best, Jamie and Austin and James J are some sort of violent "Hard Men" who are going to get physical with Jedward. Even if they WERE it would be a ****ing pathetic thing to do .

But yeah. They wouldn't even try. They might chip their nails.

Have you ever wondered why Jedward have never appeared in a club in Doncaster or even Leeds. They would be suffering from butt hurt for weeks to come. They are a joke act for old peoples homes who cant get out of the way or are so far gone they think they are watching fred and ginger.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Have you ever wondered why Jedward have never appeared in a club in Doncaster or even Leeds. They would be suffering from butt hurt for weeks to come. They are a joke act for old peoples homes who cant get out of the way or are so far gone they think they are watching fred and ginger.

Im peeing myself here silly mare When you've got a **** joke act the best audience you can wish for is old people with dementia who cannot leave the room