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Old 10-06-2017, 07:01 PM #1
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Election 2017: DUP agrees 'confidence' deal with Tories
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From what I understand it this is even less stable than what would have been achieved under a coalition. This is basically friends with benefits type scenario isn't it? So she couldn't even get a coalition to work with her ludicrous policies and going forward into Brexit.


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Basically "throw us a bribe when you need something".
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Basically "throw us a bribe when you need something".
Yup, this is exactly what it is
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So basically they are carrying on doing what they have already been doing for years.
They are still making the numbers up so good on them.
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So basically they are carrying on doing what they have already been doing for years.
They are still making the numbers up so good on them.
Tories have been throwing bribes to other parties for years?
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no, but the DUP have supported them through votes.
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Only a very weak government would consider this. The likelihood of the DUP dropping out of this very quickly is astoundingly high.
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Only a very weak government would consider this. The likelihood of the DUP dropping out of this very quickly is astoundingly high.
Labour would need the dup too if they were to form a coalition.
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Labour would need the dup too if they were to form a coalition.
In theory yes but it's not essential. If May's Queen's Speech does not pass, then as the official opposition Labour are invited to attempt to form a government and do the same.

This is where it's interesting. Do moderate (LGB) Tories uncomfortable with being propped up by the DUP, vote down the QS but risk putting Corbyn into number ten? All it takes is eight abstentions, noes or crossing the floor and they lose their working majority. The same applies for confidence motions. Which of their principals are more important to them?

So, in the event of a Labour QS, Tory MPs would be faced with a choice: abstain or even vote it up, handing Corbyn the keys, or vote it down and stare another general election in the face, while their party is in disarray. In this scenario Labour actually have the upper hand. There are further problems though, and this is why I'm not sure it's the best strategy for Labour. Say they attempt to govern as a minority, the Tories can then be difficult and vote down legislation in an attempt to show him up as ineffective. Or, alternatively, they abstain and leave him be for the foreseeable, expecting the Brexit negotiations to be a disaster, giving them attack lines on a plate ready for the next election.

I expect May's QS to pass but how long can this go on for? It's unworkable.
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Looks like they are doing a pretty good job of demolishing the country - How great is that ???
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Looks like they are doing a pretty good job of demolishing the country - How great is that ???
They are indeed.
I'm just glad she was rejected by voters as to what she expected.
A much greater majority which could be highlighted to say she is right in her policies.

She failed to get it, even worse for her just 10 more seats to Labour and she would not have been in any position to get a Queens speech passed.
Anyway, problems could still rear it's head.
Ruth Davidson is a strong Con leader in Scotland.
She distanced herself from the social care plans.

She will be the influencing voice as to the Scottish MPs elected, they may cause very demanding problems for this useless Prime Minister.
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They are indeed.
I'm just glad she was rejected by voters as to what she expected.
A much greater majority which could be highlighted to say she is right in her policies.

She failed to get it, even worse for her just 10 more seats to Labour and she would not have been in any position to get a Queens speech passed.
Anyway, problems could still rear it's head.
Ruth Davidson is a strong Con leader in Scotland.
She distanced herself from the social care plans.

She will be the influencing voice as to the Scottish MPs elected, they may cause very demanding problems for this useless Prime Minister.
Lets hope so.
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Yes because they've done such a great job so far
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Yes because they've done such a great job so far
what has been labour's track record?
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Completely irrelevant in this conversation but keep trying
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Don't talk ****e, they have plunged this country into the instability and sluggishness of a minority administration, nine days before the most important negotiations in modern British political history begin. And this in an election in which they sought to crush the opposition for a generation, and set up a one party state to dismantle our public services. This coalition of terrorist sympathising chaos couldn't be any less strong and stable than the fields of wheat Theresa May ran through

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Don't talk ****e, they have plunged this country into the instability and sluggishness of a minority administration, nine days before the most important negotiations in modern British political history begin. And this in an election in which they sought to crush the opposition for a generation, and set up a one party state to dismantle our public services. This coalition of terrorist sympathising chaos couldn't be any less strong and stable than the fields of wheat Theresa May ran through
Screaming at you thinking Labour had such a faultless time at the helm
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Nobody is suggesting Labour were faultless. Tony Blair's NL was monstrous but that's dead and gone now.

We are talking about the present situation going on in number 10
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Please direct me to where I've ever said that? I've been critical of the last New Labour government on many occasion. May I suggest you read posts properly.

Scream to yourself all you like, but the Tories have enacted this mess, and now they're going to lie in it.
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They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again
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They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again
Great Britain will as good as disappear off the face of the map with Corbyn in charge.
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And it'll all be Theresa May's fault for calling an unnecessary general election!
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