[DemolitionRed]

So whilst those reading the Mail online this morning may feel like celebrating. How can 40,000 mainly civilian deaths go unnoticed?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So whilst those reading the Mail online this morning may feel like celebrating. How can 40,000 mainly civilian deaths go unnoticed?

Most people cheer the end of a war - there is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean people haven't thought of the innocents that died, they are largely just relieved there will be no more casualties.

[DemolitionRed]

And it looks like there was a lot of Western air involvement.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And it looks like there was a lot of Western air involvement.

The big bad West.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The big bad West.

In a way yes, I for one am not championing our involvement in the destabilisation of the middle east.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

In a way yes, I for one am not championing our involvement in the destabilisation of the middle east.

Indeed. The propaganda we are fed regarding this war on ISIS is all about rallying our western nations in favor of air strikes and drone attacks. Another infuriating thing about that Mail article is the celebration of government police who are notorious for killing civilians in droves. They are known to torture and behead entire families if they find they have a relative who joined ISIS or other gorilla tribes.

You don't bulldoze an entire city to kill a few rats.

My thoughts go to all the innocents killed in this horrific attack.

[Kizzy]

While the area remains unstable it will never be the end.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So whilst those reading the Mail online this morning may feel like celebrating. How can 40,000 mainly civilian deaths go unnoticed?

what do you mean

who is "celebrating"?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what do you mean

who is "celebrating"?

All the people in the pictures posted and then all the comments from the readers that follow that article. It really isn't that difficult but I think you're just being your usual awkward self.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All the people in the pictures posted and then all the comments from the readers that follow that article. It really isn't that difficult but I think you're just being your usual awkward self.

I am not being awkward and dont be personal. Your thread is all over the shop.

The comments posted are from members of the public and have NOTHING to do with the newspaper and the pictures posted are of Iraqis and again guess what they dont work for the mail either


Your thread says

Mail online celebrates the end of ISIS in Iraq

Its is misleading and incorrect


please change it

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There's a little grey line that some people on this site hide behind. You can be Islamophobic, heartless and show a lack of humanity to outsiders but you can't butt hurt the person who uses this channel to rally their prejudice and hate. For all their anger at the world, deep down they are sensitive souls who take umbrage at the slightest remark back at them.

I'm so sick of the one sided political correctness because it inadvertently encourages the wrong sort of people to grow and thrive.

TBH - and this is just a general complaint, not particularly directed at you, but there seems to be no such thing as Christianophobia, Hinduophobia, Judismophobia, etc - and let's face it the Jewish religion has probably been the most persecuted of all - including by Islam, so why doesn't it have its own special name - and why has Islam got its stand-alone 'ophobia'. I don't buy it - it is a made up word by people with an agenda, a PC word and it is ridiculous - most of all it is Discriminatory. It is about as one-sided as you can get in my opinion.

There is nothing special about Islam that entitles it to its own special word. It is simply a religion criticised by many for its discrimination of others including women and other religions. You cannot force people to respect any religion. You cannot forbid criticism of any religion and you cannot stop the questioning of injustice because it is perpetrated in the name of religion. You can legislate against hate crimes but that has to apply to all including Islam.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

TBH - and this is just a general complaint, not particularly directed at you, but there seems to be no such thing as Christianophobia, Hinduophobia, Judismophobia, etc - and let's face it the Jewish religion has probably been the most persecuted of all - including by Islam, so why doesn't it have its own special name - and why has Islam got its stand-alone 'ophobia'. I don't buy it - it is a made up word by people with an agenda, a PC word and it is ridiculous - most of all it is Discriminatory. It is about as one-sided as you can get in my opinion.

There is nothing special about Islam that entitles it to its own special word. It is simply a religion criticised by many for its discrimination of others including women and other religions. You cannot force people to respect any religion. You cannot forbid criticism of any religion and you cannot stop the questioning of injustice because it is perpetrated in the name of religion. You can legislate against hate crimes but that has to apply to all including Islam.

You say there's nothing special about Islam that entitles it to its own world but we are the ones who invaded their world. What right did we have to invade these countries in the Middle East? who are we to play God?

Muslims have lived in this country for many generations and up until recently, they just went about their life unnoticed by us, just like the Hindu's and any other religion living over here.

Now, some of those Muslims (but very few) bomb us and terrorize us. Have you ever stopped for a moment and wondered why? Could it be because we bomb and terrorize them? Could it be because we invade and kill thousands of innocents? Could it be because we root out and destroy any assemblance of government and throw their countries into such horrific destruction? Could it be because we created the enemy that has killed so many of them and now threatens the West... ISIS. Could it be because we are trying to create new empires?

And before anyone suggests I'm excusing the terrorists over here, I'm not but neither am I excusing our government for allowing things to get to this.

We support Israel. We support the apartheid against Islam and we support one of the most barbaric countries on this earth... Saudi Arabia but everything else is up for grabs. Seek and destroy and fcuk the collateral damage.

I'm not interested in bad mouthing Muslims. The way the men treat the women has gone on throughout history so why choose now to discriminate? Muslims are hated because they are fleeing over here in great numbers. Muslims are hated because a few nutters have murdered our own people. Popular media are on the front line at driving this hate because it sells newspapers and whilst some of us just shake our heads and choose to ignore them, others hang off their every word.

We need to let go of the hate and start looking inwards. We need to understand what's gone wrong, how was this created and how can it cease. We need to blame the right people here... the powerful and not the powerless.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

the Jewish religion has probably been the most persecuted of all - including by Islam, so why doesn't it have its own special name.

I'm honestly not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or not

[DemolitionRed]

The Daily Mail, I thought I made that clear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Daily Mail, I thought I made that clear.

its unclear. I can see an article in the Daily Mail but I cant see the Daily Mail celebrating, can you be more specific?

[arista]

Yes for now ISIS out Iraq
but still in Pakistan , Asia Zones
Africa, France, China and UK


Solution:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=324235

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes for now ISIS out Iraq
but still in Pakistan , Asia Zones
Africa, France, China and UK


Solution:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=324235

Oh yeah, that solution that will kill millions and hopefully wipe out ISIS

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh yeah, that solution that will kill millions and hopefully wipe out ISIS

No Hope
Isis terminated forever
Fact

[DemolitionRed]

ISIS is terminated in one city for now but what do you think could rise out of the ashes? Perhaps something more terrifying than its predecessor?

[Brother Leon]

Same MailOnline will ask what Muslims are doing to fight ISIS next week..

[DemolitionRed]

Brillo, you do realize that the Daily Mail were the one paper responsible for massive propaganda AGAINST to migrant Jews, before and during WW2? They instilled fear in their readers by persuading them that the Jews would rape their daughters and take over our country.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Brillo, you do realize that the Daily Mail were the one paper responsible for massive propaganda AGAINST to migrant Jews, before and during WW2? They instilled fear in their readers by persuading them that the Jews would rape their daughters and take over our country.

I don't know about that - but that was about 70+ years ago.

I really don't think a fair comparison can be made between the two. I'm sure there weren't billions/millions of Jews in Europe and they weren't committing terrorist acts against us.

Were there young Jewish men coming into Britain And Europe then and raping young girls. You can't deny migrant men having been molesting, raping and murdering young women/girls in Europe. No comparison at all.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't know about that

You ''don't know'' much about much but it still doesn't stop you from constantly posting wildly innacurate, mis-informed and generally inflammatory racially discriminatory rubbish does it. Like this prime example below.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You can't deny migrant men having been molesting, raping and murdering young women/girls in Europe.

You can't deny that many, many more women/girls have been molested, raped and murdered in Europe by European Nationals than by immigrants but you never seem to comment about that do you ? It seems that for you to be 'outraged' by anything it has to be connected to immigrants or foreign nationals.

[Northern Monkey]

Honestly like LT I don't see the Mail itself celebrating.
The tile is -

'ISIS goes up in smoke: US air strike pounds small remaining area of Mosul held by the terror group as Iraq declares victory in the city after a bloody eight-month battle'

No whooping and cheering from the Mail even in the title.

Plenty of pics of Iraqis celebrating but I won't condemn them for that since they've just been involved in a long and bloody battle to take their city back from an evil death cult who've been slaughtering them every day.I'd be fecking cheering too.

Then Emanuel Macron and Michael Fallon say this -

'French President Emmanuel Macron - whose country is part of the coalition that has conducted airstrikes and provided training and assistance to Iraqi forces on the battlefield, welcomed the defeat.

He tweeted: 'Mosul liberated from ISIS: France pays homage to all those, who alongside our troops, contributed to this victory.'

Britain's Defence Minister Michael Fallon also praised Iraq on Sunday for defeating the Islamic State group - referring to the militants by its Arabic name Daesh - in Mosul but warned that more has to be done to combat the jihadists.'

'I congratulate Prime Minister (Haider) Abadi, and the Iraqi forces who have been fighting on the ground with great bravery and care against a brutal opponent,' Fallon said in a statement.

'Daesh has total disregard for innocent civilian life and we should welcome their defeat in a city that was ground zero for their so-called caliphate,' he added, using an Arabic acronym for IS.

As part of Britain's involvement in the US-led coalition against the jihadist group, Fallon said British forces had struck 750 targets in the battle for Mosul.

But 'there is still more to do' around the city and in the broader region, Fallon said.

'This barbaric group remains dug in west of the Euphrates and clearing operations in and around Mosul will be needed because of the threat from improvised explosive devices,' he added.

I suppose you could interpret those two as celebrating.Again not the site itself though.

[Livia]

As the Jews have been dragged into the equation once again, I'll say what I always say: Jews have suffered.... Muslims have suffered... the difference being that Jews have not roamed the world blowing the arms and legs off innocent people - including their own people. Jews do not want their religion to spread across the world - indeed, Jews don't recruit. While it's right to remember that Muslims have suffered at the hands of IS more than anyone, IS and all those other despicable organisations associated with terror in the name of Allah, deserve a little celebration when it's been other Muslims that have bombed them out of existence. Those fighting IS in Iraq have done the world a service, supported by the West. I see that as a reason for celebration while respectfully remembering the dead.