[Vicky.]

They helped to get a previous womens officer removed for 'transphobia' (officially the person resigned, but after a huge smear campaign against her). The transphobia was basically saying that female people have different life experiences to male people and have different needs. Being gender critical and thinking that men are not women is not transphobia.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...1c343ae147a9a9

It is alleged that an unnamed fellow party member, who is a male supporter of the transgender activists but not transgender himself, has repeatedly tried to prevent Ms Ruzylo from voicing her concerns as a women’s officer at local Labour meetings. He is also accused of blocking her from taking part in discussions in online party forums and branded her a “Terf”— a derogatory term that stands for “trans exclusionary radical feminist” — in online forums for local Labour members.

Ms Ruzylo has also been the subject of three complaints accusing her of “transphobia”.

One of the complaints was made by Lily Madigan, a transgender teenager from Kent who made headlines last year when she threatened to sue her school for not letting her wear a female uniform. She demanded the immediate removal of Ms Ruzylo from her post and her suspension from the Labour Party, despite the fact that they were not from the same constituency. Ms Madigan, who was born male but identifies as a woman, said that she wanted Ms Ruzylo to be removed because she was offended by the “transphobic” tone of her personal Twitter account.

Last night Ms Madigan stood by her view and accused Ms Ruzylo of undermining “the Labour Party’s strong trans-equality policy.”

They have now been elected into the same position that they got an actual female sacked from. Despite being a 19 year old male person.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...f6558d7a1be5ba

“Firstly, trans-women are women, women who are vastly more under-represented than most. We haven’t even had a transgender MP yet,” she said, adding that her “goal is to be the first one”. “Like most women, I’m a feminist. They aren’t mutually exclusive issues, far from it. I would argue strongly that all appeals to biology are anti-feminist. We can’t challenge the view we are limited by our biology in one breath and use the biology argument against trans women in the next.”

Feminist indeed. Removing a female from their position for looking out for the rights of females, and taking a job thats meant to be for ****ing females when actually male. Yes, saying we are 'limited' by our biology is wrong as being male or female does not stop one doing what they wish to do on the whole, or dressing how they want to dress. This does not mean biology is irrelevant and males are females, or vice versa. Its not anti-feminist to point out that males and females have their own separate issues that do not affect the other group. And that sex is relevant in many areas of life.

Misogynistic prick too by all accounts. Here is one of his youtube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6N_bv3BMgA&app=desktop

Being a woman is all about makeup and pretty things, yet again basically. Nothing to do with, you know, being female Females are just hysterical and transphobic for not wanting people with dicks in the loos, changing rooms and such. As you know, having a dick does not mean one is not female (save the intersex replies please, its incredibly rare and nothing to do with trans)

Labour are dangerous close to losing my vote over this issue. Not just this appointment but a general view of this topic. I know Labour are liberal by nature. But they genuinely seem to not be able to see that this ideology is both misogynistic and homophobic overall

At least Jess Phillips seems to get it. I am hoping she can convince the rest of the MPs
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...nder-bill?pg=1

Check the replies to jess' tweet. Death threats galore. And a cult-like chant of 'transwomen ARE women'. Bull. Woman is an adult human female, and I am sick of trying to be polite on this matter tbh.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...93574011191296

Cannot believe only the times dare to report on this. Its pathetic really.

[Niamh.]

A 19 year old boy representing womens needs ...................oy vey

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A 19 year old boy representing womens needs ...................oy vey

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

Male transwoman*

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Male transwoman*

This.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This.

Complex it
why don't you.

[Vicky.]

For clarity, the womans officer is to deal with matters such as (copied from PoppyJ1 on mumsnet https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...s-officer?pg=1)

Menstrual health
Pregnancy
Childbirth
Miscarriage
Stillbirth
Abortion
FGM
Pay gap (often based on perception of reproductive capacity)
Misogyny
Breastfeeding
Hysterectomy

Which of these is a male person likely to have suffered, or understand in depth? Especially a 19 year old male person who thinks biology is irrelevant in all areas of life and to say sex matters is transphobic?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Menstrual health
Pregnancy
Childbirth
Miscarriage
Stillbirth
Abortion
FGM
Pay gap (often based on perception of reproductive capacity)
Misogyny
Breastfeeding
Hysterectomy



Not the Truth's Google searches finally being released under the freedom of information act?

mgno

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Menstrual health
Pregnancy
Childbirth
Miscarriage
Stillbirth
Abortion
FGM
Pay gap (often based on perception of reproductive capacity)
Misogyny
Breastfeeding
Hysterectomy



Not the Truth's Google searches finally being released under the freedom of information act?

mgno

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Abortion

Misogyny

Pay gap
Menstrual health
FGM
Pregnancy
Miscarriage
Stillbirth
Childbirth
Breastfeeding
Hysterectomy



Not the Truth's Google searches finally being released under the freedom of information act?

I've re-ordered it. Now it's a to do list. ... ....

[arista]

Too young
Vicky

[bots]

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

He has nor been on DP . BBC2HD
yet............................................... ...............

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

So is Donald Trump.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

A sexist comment followed by the obligatory joker .....oy vey.

[Cherie]

This is quite a read, apart from anything else is a 19 year old whatever sex they are qualified to hold this office, you would have thought some life experience would be required for this post?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A sexist comment followed by the obligatory joker .....oy vey.

A little cultural misappropriation there. I'll overlook it for the sake of the thread, though.

I have known several Women's Officers in various jobs. I have never met one who is male. It's hilarious really. I mean, think of the face of the average 19 year old male when the conversation gets around to menstruation. I can't see him joining in the conversation, really. More hilarious that there are posts in this thread claiming he might have been "the right person for the job".

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

A little cultural misappropriation there. I'll overlook it for the sake of the thread, though.

I have known several Women's Officers in various jobs. I have never met one who is male. It's hilarious really. I mean, think of the face of the average 19 year old male when the conversation gets around to menstruation. I can't see him joining in the conversation, really. More hilarious that there are posts in this thread claiming he might have been "the right person for the job".

Why is that hilarious? This thread is about somebody's job role and people don't seem to want to discuss what the actual role will involve and what education and training and experience Lily might have in relation to that. Yes 19 seems really young, and someone who isn't biologically a woman taking on a womans role of course sounds bizarre on the face of it. But can we not look at it any deeper that? People are bringing up things like menstruation/womens rights and issues/things that can only affect a biological female and stating that the person in this role needs to have first hand experience of these things, but I haven't seen anything that relates to womens rights and womens personal issues in the actual role description, and surely that should be the center of what this debate is about? I find it bizarre that that is being ignored and replaced with issues that from what I've read don't seem to factor into the role, and that people who want to actually consider and discuss those things should be mocked for it? That when discussing someone's job role the idea that they might be competent at it is something that shouldn't even be considered because on the surface it seems unusual, and that because it hasn't happened before it's something that should never happen.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Why is that hilarious? This thread is about somebody's job role and people don't seem to want to discuss what the actual role will involve and what education and training and experience Lily might have in relation to that. Yes 19 seems really young, and someone who isn't biologically a woman taking on a womans role of course sounds bizarre on the face of it. But can we not look at it any deeper that? People are bringing up things like menstruation/womens rights and issues/things that can only affect a biological female and stating that the person in this role needs to have first hand experience of these things, but I haven't seen anything that relates to womens rights and womens personal issues in the actual role description, and surely that should be the center of what this debate is about? I find it bizarre that that is being ignored and replaced with issues that from what I've read don't seem to factor into the role, and that people who want to actually consider and discuss those things should be mocked for it? That when discussing someone's job role the idea that they might be competent at it is something that shouldn't even be considered because on the surface it seems unusual, and that because it hasn't happened before it's something that should never happen.

Quoting from the article:

Congratulating the teenager on her election, Teresa Murray, Medway councillor and vice-chairwoman of the executive committee of Rochester and Strood CLP, acknowledged that “Lily will have to work very hard to convince other people that her very presence there is not going to undermine them”.

The Labour councillor said that “lived experience as a woman” should be considered an advantage — but not a prerequisite — for the role of women’s officer. She added: “Someone who is an accountant would probably make a better treasurer initially, but that doesn’t mean we should only give the role to an accountant.”

Does that strike you as someone chosen because they are the best person for the role? Or does it more imply a complete mismatch that may work if the wind blows in the correct direction. That quote comes from one of those responsible for the decision.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Why is that hilarious? This thread is about somebody's job role and people don't seem to want to discuss what the actual role will involve and what education and training and experience Lily might have in relation to that. Yes 19 seems really young, and someone who isn't biologically a woman taking on a womans role of course sounds bizarre on the face of it. But can we not look at it any deeper that? People are bringing up things like menstruation/womens rights and issues/things that can only affect a biological female and stating that the person in this role needs to have first hand experience of these things, but I haven't seen anything that relates to womens rights and womens personal issues in the actual role description, and surely that should be the center of what this debate is about? I find it bizarre that that is being ignored and replaced with issues that from what I've read don't seem to factor into the role, and that people who want to actually consider and discuss those things should be mocked for it? That when discussing someone's job role the idea that they might be competent at it is something that shouldn't even be considered because on the surface it seems unusual, and that because it hasn't happened before it's something that should never happen.

No I don't need to look any deeper, Jamie. I'm speaking as a woman who has been in the workplace for a few years now, unlike this boy who has only just done his bloody A levels! Like TS said, even if he wasn't male, even if he was a female, at 19 years old he just doesn't have the life skills or the experience needed for a job like this.

[Vicky.]

Sorry I genuinely am starting to agree with others who say the labour party is a joke. I have been a lifelong labour supporter and a huge supporter of corbyn (as many on her eknow) but this issue is really really pissing me off.

Also, because of searches about this..I have learnt more about what Momentum actually do and are. I always thought they were just supporters of Corbyn, not a bully group. Thought those saying the latter were just being silly. I am now hoping for someone who is actually strong (and ****ing sensible, educated in basic biology would help too) to challenge Corbyn before the next election. I don't feel I can vote for Labour in its current condition. And would never ever vote Tory as they are just as bad on this issue, and also pretty evil when it comes to the disabled.

[Oliver_W]

Does Momentum have any official connection to Corbyn? Sure, they are trash, but do you want to stop supporting a politician you like over his followers?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does Momentum have any official connection to Corbyn? Sure, they are trash, but do you want to stop supporting a politician you like over his followers?

Its not just his followers, its his views also. He has 'drank the koolaid' more than anyone else. He refuses to define 'woman' yet claims males are females too. Its ****ing bonkers. I genuinely do feel this is THE issue to be concerned about right now. And all parties are letting me down. ****ing hell even the womans equality party says males are as much a woman as females. I feel I have fallen down a rabbit hole or something reading so many supposed intelligent people being so stupid.

[Vicky.]

I think I am in love with Hadley Freeman

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/...e_iOSApp_Other

Specifically

Any man – and I have seen many online – who thinks he is proving his liberal credentials by shouting down women talking about these fears really needs to have a good long look at himself. Because this behaviour is – dare I point out the obvious? Dare I? – hideously patriarchal.

LBC’s James O’Brien helpfully provided a doozy of an example last week, when a woman called in to his show to discuss gender and, after a discussion about the clothing choices of toddlers, O’Brien proceeded to make the conversation entirely about himself.

“Why would you feel uncomfortable getting changed in the room next to me?” he demanded.

“Because you’re a man,” she responded.

“What do you think I’m going to do? What are you worried about?” he asked. Because nothing proves women have nothing to fear from men than a man insisting he should be allowed to get naked next to her.

When the caller provided some statistics on voyeurism and an example of a male predator in a woman’s changing room, O’Brien called her “obsessed” and “paranoid” and claimed that all this fuss over changing rooms was silly because “every time you’re out in public, you’re at risk of sexual assault”. Yes, James, women are aware of that, and maybe that’s why many of them are concerned about taking their clothes off next to men?

This is what i think of Corbyn and his views tbh. Obviously anti-female. Its anti-female to say any male is a female, tbh. Totally disregarding how females were oppressed in general for thousands of years. And still are in many respects. Men attack women on a depressingly regular basis, especially sexually. To say women scared of this are 'transphobic' is profoundly anti-female. Owen ****ing Jones (someone I have regularly championed until recently) take note.