[Jase.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-tren...alflow_twitter

Thoughts?

[Osjama]

Influence of India tho

[TomC]

I would honestly say no. It's a sexual choice. The truth is she was a male biologically, and it's quite alright, and not discriminatory to refuse to date a certain sex when you take transgenderism out of the equation.

[thisisdanny]

India's impact

[Lister of Smeg]

This is what the TV Licence money goes towards

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

This is what the TV Licence money goes towards

Oh noes at the millions that went into that one article.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

This is what the TV Licence money goes towards

That and covering up paedo rings.

[Withano]

Its an interesting debate, and I can see the logic behind both sides of the argument

[Osjama]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its an interesting debate, and I can see the logic behind both sides of the argument

Ye I personally don’t think most, if not all, of the people that wouldn’t date a trans person due it with the intention to discriminate but I do feel that it does unintentionally discriminate against them.
It’s a bit of a grey area most people don’t really get bc they’ve never really encountered trans people but I don’t think it’s as black as white as ‘well u don’t shame gay people for their preferences’ ect

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Osjama

Ye I personally don’t think most, if not all, of the people that wouldn’t date a trans person due it with the intention to discriminate but I do feel that it does unintentionally discriminate against them.
It’s a bit of a grey area most people don’t really get bc they’ve never really encountered trans people but I don’t think it’s as black as white as ‘well u don’t shame gay people for their preferences’ ect

But the thing is, for me, is that there are legitimate reasons. For instance, somebody may only date people for the hope of children, and their own family, a few years along the line.

However, all transphobic people will refuse because they are transphobic and that's all there is to their logic... and I think thats where India's mind instantly jumped to...

[Vicky.]

No it is not. A transwoman is a male person. If a guy is straight, he is perfectly within his rights to say no to dating a male person. As are lesbians. And ditto straight women dating transmen or gay men and transmen.

Its actually fairly rapey to say that anyone should shag anyone else or be called a bigot. Coercion is not good.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its actually fairly rapey to say that anyone should shag anyone else or be called a bigot. Coercion is not good.

Thats not the point though.. the article is discussing whether its transphobic to instantly rule out tens or hundreds of thousands of people because of their trans-status. Nobody is saying that not shagging India is transphobic (i think).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats not the point though.. the article is discussing whether its transphobic to instantly rule out tens or hundreds of thousands of people because of their trans-status. Nobody is saying that not shagging India is transphobic (i think).

Well I would wager that people do not rule out tens of thousands of people because of their trans status, but because of their sex.

Is it discriminatory to be gay? Thats ruling out a bunch of people for the same reason. As is being straight.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No it is not. A transwoman is a male person. If a guy is straight, he is perfectly within his rights to say no to dating a male person. As are lesbians. And ditto straight women dating transmen or gay men and transmen.

Its actually fairly rapey to say that anyone should shag anyone else or be called a bigot. Coercion is not good.

Totally 100%

Trying to sexually coerce people by guilt tripping them or blackmailing them is as you say fairly rapey.

[Beso]

Whos making me?

[Alf]

Is it discriminatory to refuse to date me?

The answers are the same.

[Vicky.]

Not getting sex =/= discrimination ffs

[Vicky.]

Saying it is discriminatory to not date a trans person, is basically saying sexuality is a choice that you should 'get over' if its going to upset someone else. Which is clearly ridiculous.

I may get a little too worked up in this thread due to knowing loads of lesbians who have already been called transphobic/bigots over this issue, and one who was seriously assaulted due to refusing a penis that she did not know was there until she was alone with the person

[Osjama]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Saying it is discriminatory to not date a trans person, is basically saying sexuality is a choice that you should 'get over' if its going to upset someone else. Which is clearly ridiculous.

I may get a little too worked up in this thread due to knowing loads of lesbians who have already been called transphobic/bigots over this issue, and one who was seriously assaulted due to refusing a penis that she did not know was there until she was alone with the person

Maybe discrimination isn’t the right word, I just don’t reslly feel like it’s right to dismiss trans people in mass dating wise for a presumption or a feeling that I don’t think is justified and should be moved past it. Idk I’m not saying conversion therapy for all these transphobic ppl!!! Ykno maybe it’s tough for them in ways it shouldn’t be tough for them

And I do feel there’s a bit of underline transphobia like think abt the reason why u don’t want to date this person is bc she’s trans. Maybe saying their scared of them isn’t the right way to go about it so maybe phobia doesn’t apply Idk

[Jamie89]

No. Refusing to date someone isn't 'prejudicial treatment'.

I'd imagine that people who are discriminatory or transphobic would say they wouldn't date a transperson because of their prejudice, but the actual refusal of going on the date isn't an act of discrimination in itself. And there are so many reasons why someone might not want to that have nothing to do with prejudice, and honestly, even if prejudice is involved, when it comes to dating and sex I think people should be entitled to that. It's always good to question yourself and your motives and how you view and treat people, but the path of making people feel like they should have to have sex with someone when they don't want to is a worrying and dangerous one (and let's be realistic this is mainly about sex).

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well I would wager that people do not rule out tens of thousands of people because of their trans status, but because of their sex.
.

Yes, that is the topic we're discussing. Nobody is discussing people being made to shag people to avoid being called a bigot.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, that is the topic we're discussing. Nobody is discussing people being made to shag people to avoid being called a bigot.

Not really understanding why you cut that one sentence and replied with this..

So do you think it is discriminatory to not want to date someone because of their sex? (Taking trans out of the equation, this is essentially the question here...)

I don't.

And of course its about shagging people And its already happening, people being called bigots for not sleeping with someone who is the opposite of the sex they are attracted to...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not really understanding why you cut that one sentence and replied with this..

So do you think it is discriminatory to not want to date someone because of their sex? (Taking trans out of the equation, this is essentially the question here...)

I don't.

And of course its about shagging people And its already happening, people being called bigots for not sleeping with someone who is the opposite of the sex they are attracted to...

I dont either at the question you asked (not every single time anyway, obviously its influenced by transphobia sometimes). But that last paragraph again isnt what anybody is talking about haha.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont either at the question you asked (not every single time anyway, obviously its influenced by transphobia sometimes). But that last paragraph again isnt what anybody is talking about haha.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I guess as far as sex goes, its more about turn-ons and turn-offs, and I can see why a person might think that wanting to **** a person until they learn that they're trans is transphobic.. when actually theres more to it. Being turned off by fake tits, or fake cock isnt transphobic, being turned off by the sheer thought of transsexualism is to some people.

Thinking about it, this entire week long debate has probably just been down by individual interpretations of different words haha. Theres so many ways to think about it.