[Robodog]

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shane J has not lived a life yet, he needs to listen to those that have

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

Excellent as always.

[-Sue-]

someone needs to send Ann that memo calling Shane /courtney a 'chav'

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

someone needs to send Ann that memo calling Shane /courtney a 'chav'

She called Courtney a Chav, and given Courtney is a parody of a woman then that is fair enough

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She called Courtney a Chav, and given Courtney is a parody of a woman then that is fair enough

How is it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

How is it?

Courtney is a character, just like someone playing a character in a soap

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Courtney is a character, just like someone playing a character in a soap

Completely untrue and shows how little you understand.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

someone needs to send Ann that memo calling Shane /courtney a 'chav'

Indeed I agree.

That will be overlooked however.

[waterhog]

robodog - gold star - sorry if that's a label but you deserve it. great post.

[smudgie]

Yes, labels are not good.
When will people realise there is only one race, the human race.

[hazyjo]

It's what I've been saying for years. We will never have equality and eliminate racism until people stop seeing each other as this or that. We should all be the same. Best 'man' for the job and all that. Stop trying to hit targets or worry about offending someone.

It's even worse like when people try to lump themselves into a box - like ShaneJ trying to speak for 'the whole gay community'. Lots seem to do that. Just be more like Amanda and tell them you'll follow your own rules thank you very much.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

You are absolutely right.

....and stop demanding that other people be damned for not having the same opinion in what they believe is right.
Amanda and Wayne summed it up all very nicely last night.

[luvjustin]

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.



And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.

And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

I agree.

It was the labelling and prejudice that got us into trouble in the first place. Collectivist thinking: not seeing people as individuals, but labelling and judging everyone according to 'types'.

The KKK (for example) are racial collectivists: they judge people not as individuals, but according to their 'race'. They then demand people of those races should behave in a certain way.

Black Lives Matter are also racial collectivists who have fallen into the same trap of seeing the race before the individual, and also making judgement and demands based on race.

Check out their demands on 'white people' if you haven't come across it.

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

This tit-for-tat approach just keeps the whole divide alive.


So how best to solve group divides? It's a tricky one.

I guess we have to remember what the ultimate goal is: a society of individuals with equal rights, not a society of divided groups.

While group identity is no doubt useful for raising awareness and to overcome prejudice, it can only work as a temporary measure.
At some point group identity must be abandoned if people want become one with the whole community at large.

It's like a car to take us to a destination, but it is not the destination itself.

So how do we know when our goal has been reached?

Does ALL prejudice have to be eliminated in order for people to say "ok, job done"?

Or is it enough to say "ok there is majority acceptance now, so that will have to do. (and the minority of prejudiced people can go **** themselves)"

My worry is the longer people keep identifying themselves (and each other) as groups, and not as individuals, the harder it will be achieve peace in society and see us all as the individuals we all are.

.

[chuff me dizzy]

Excellent post Robodog So sick of people sticking a label on themselves

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Excellent post Robodog So sick of people sticking a label on themselves

Thanks Chuff

Appreciate your wisdom and support

Glad there are enough of us getting tired of this labelling culture now, it keeps us all divided

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Thanks Chuff

Appreciate your wisdom and support

Glad there are enough of us getting tired of this labelling culture now, it keeps us all divided

Some people LOVE having a label ,its their life they think it is their right

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.



And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

Thats complete rubbish, all of the groups you mentioned cause more division and most have no clue of what equality looks like

Amanda won an award at Attitude awards, and in her acceptance speech, said "I long for the day that we dont have to get awards for being gay"

She was right, it should all be about inclusion

The problem with Black Lives Matter, is that they are nearly all young people with no f.cking clue of what it is really like to suffer racism as their parents and grandparents did, but they think its okay to pick up the baton anyway and run with it

The problem with the METoo campaign is that it began because some tramps in Hollywood shagged some fat ugly producers to get jobs, and when those jobs did not propel them to great heights.......they thought they would join the campaign, ask yourself this, how many actual charges have been brought against producers etc, I think the answer is NONE, cause you cant get nicked for asking a bitch to shag you for a job, its NOT against the law, to lie to a woman

The only one I actually feel sorry for is the one who started it all, Rose McGowan, who was brought up in a cult by her thick as **** mother and had an appaling life before she ever got into a room wit the fat slug Weinstein

And ask yourself, how many girls were propositioned like that by producers, directors etc and said "F.ck off mate and stick your job up your ass", I would imagine there were many, but we wont hear about them cause they walked away with their dignity intact

Shane J's problem, however, is much more simple, he is a self obsessed c..t
and I really hope he, not only goes first, but falls going down the stairs and breaks something other than his shoes!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Thats complete rubbish, all of the groups you mentioned cause more division and most have no clue of what equality looks like

Amanda won an award at Attitude awards, and in her acceptance speech, said "I long for the day that we dont have to get awards for being gay"

She was right, it should all be about inclusion

The problem with Black Lives Matter, is that they are nearly all young people with no f.cking clue of what it is really like to suffer racism as their parents and grandparents did, but they think its okay to pick up the baton anyway and run with it

The problem with the METoo campaign is that it began because some tramps in Hollywood shagged some fat ugly producers to get jobs, and when those jobs did not propel them to great heights.......they thought they would join the campaign, ask yourself this, how many actual charges have been brought against producers etc, I think the answer is NONE, cause you cant get nicked for asking a bitch to shag you for a job, its NOT against the law, to lie to a woman

The only one I actually feel sorry for is the one who started it all, Rose McGowan, who was brought up in a cult by her thick as **** mother and had an appaling life before she ever got into a room wit the fat slug Weinstein

And ask yourself, how many girls were propositioned like that by producers, directors etc and said "F.ck off mate and stick your job up your ass", I would imagine there were many, but we wont hear about them cause they walked away with their dignity intact

Shane J's problem, however, is much more simple, he is a self obsessed c..t
and I really hope he, not only goes first, but falls going down the stairs and breaks something other than his shoes!

Excellent post as usual

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Thats complete rubbish, all of the groups you mentioned cause more division and most have no clue of what equality looks like

Amanda won an award at Attitude awards, and in her acceptance speech, said "I long for the day that we dont have to get awards for being gay"

She was right, it should all be about inclusion

The problem with Black Lives Matter, is that they are nearly all young people with no f.cking clue of what it is really like to suffer racism as their parents and grandparents did, but they think its okay to pick up the baton anyway and run with it

The problem with the METoo campaign is that it began because some tramps in Hollywood shagged some fat ugly producers to get jobs, and when those jobs did not propel them to great heights.......they thought they would join the campaign, ask yourself this, how many actual charges have been brought against producers etc, I think the answer is NONE, cause you cant get nicked for asking a bitch to shag you for a job, its NOT against the law, to lie to a woman

The only one I actually feel sorry for is the one who started it all, Rose McGowan, who was brought up in a cult by her thick as **** mother and had an appaling life before she ever got into a room wit the fat slug Weinstein

And ask yourself, how many girls were propositioned like that by producers, directors etc and said "F.ck off mate and stick your job up your ass", I would imagine there were many, but we wont hear about them cause they walked away with their dignity intact

Shane J's problem, however, is much more simple, he is a self obsessed c..t
and I really hope he, not only goes first, but falls going down the stairs and breaks something other than his shoes!

Fantastic post

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.



And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

Also agree with this. Equality is not what should be strived for really. Equity is important. Equality is not always the fairest way to do things as it does not happen in a vacuum and you have to acknowledge how different groups are treat and the struggles they do face. Yes laws are pretty much equal now, but actual treatment of people day to day is not.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also agree with this. Equality is not what should be strived for really. Equity is important. Equality is not always the fairest way to do things as it does not happen in a vacuum and you have to acknowledge how different groups are treat and the struggles they do face. Yes laws are pretty much equal now, but actual treatment of people day to day is not.

I honestly don't see it Vicky. Maybe the UK is different to Ireland but I don't see gay people or people of a different race treated any differently in day to day life.

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I honestly don't see it Vicky. Maybe the UK is different to Ireland but I don't see gay people or people of a different race treated any differently in day to day life.

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Im in the Uk and I can't see it either

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I honestly don't see it Vicky. Maybe the UK is different to Ireland but I don't see gay people or people of a different race treated any differently in day to day life.

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The worst I’ve ever been discriminated for being gay was at school where they mocked me for it. They also mocked my hair, shoes, voice, acne, basically everything. A lot of young people and maybe even people in general is that they want to pull as many things as possible into like discrimatory labels that have other meanings or intent to them as well. They just want to paint the entire world as sexist, homophobic, racist ect

There was a quote from Ann day 1 in the house that went something like ‘a girl came up to me in parliament and said ‘isn’t it bad how men treat us’ and they didn’t treat her bad because she was a woman they treated her bad because she was useless’