[Brillopad]

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v...sogyny-illegal

This sounds a pretty good idea to me in theory considering how big an issue it is and how most women have exoerienced it to varying degrees at least once in their life, but it seems that it makes little difference to many. The message is simply not getting through.

[Oliver_W]

This is a Vice article, so it's probably complete horsecrap.

Leering, groping, stalking, taking unwanted photos, sexually explicit language, unwanted sexual advances and online abuse are among the incidents that can be flagged.

So things which were either crimes or anti-social behaviour anyway?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is a Vice article, so it's probably complete horsecrap.


So things which were either crimes or anti-social behaviour anyway?

Yeah. They don't fall under misogyny, they come under abuse, assault and stalking.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v...sogyny-illegal

This sounds a pretty good idea to me in theory considering how big an issue it is and how most women have exoerienced it to varying degrees at least once in their life, but it seems that it makes little difference to many. The message is simply not getting through.

But isnt misogyny on the decline in this country.

[Marsh.]

Misandry is actually on the rise.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Misandry is actually on the rise.

Oh please Marshy...

[Ammi]

...actually Oliver I’m going to take it a bit more off dierection../...apologies...and just because the Anne Hegerty thread is closed now...so following on...


...I googled a little bit ...and it seems that many female feminists would prefer ‘non trans’ to ‘cis’...if a term had to be applied at all...but ‘woman’ has always faced suppression in society and in recent years, is only just becoming more powerful...or of more equal power to ‘man’...in some areas, still a struggle etc...the news story at the moment of the leads in The Crown TV series...being an example of equality still not having been reached and ‘man’ having more power than ‘woman’, we could say...their salaries weren’t equal, his was higher..and yet she was The Crown...the title character portrayed...so it’s only recent times that ‘woman’ is being reclaimed as it were in its power and it’s equality...so then woman is told it’s not woman, it’s cis-woman...leaving no choice, leaving ‘suppression’ felt again, surely...?...’man’ has never felt those suppression’s, so it wouldn’t have the same impact of association...if in general a cis-man feels fine about it, you know...but some women don’t at all...and then it’s down to our individuality like all things...I’m fine with it, actually I hadn’t been familiar with it until these discussions...but I completely understand why many women wouldn’t feel so open to it...because they didn’t choose it, they were give no choice and no choice in certain things is something that ‘woman’ is very familiar with...

[Ammi]

....oooops, I think I just got bolded...apologies Niamh, I think we posted around the same time...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Since the enforcement began, there have been 167 reports of misogyny. Of these, 68 were treated as hate crimes, including public order offences, harassment and assault, and 99 were treated as hate incidents, such as intimidating behaviour, inappropriate sexual comments and verbal abuse. The reports have led to four arrests and one charge.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Since the enforcement began, there have been 167 reports of misogyny. Of these, 68 were treated as hate crimes, including public order offences, harassment and assault, and 99 were treated as hate incidents, such as intimidating behaviour, inappropriate sexual comments and verbal abuse. The reports have led to four arrests and one charge.

So were basically criminal offences anyway and didn't require people in their ignorant quest for equality to actually perpetuate inequality.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So were basically criminal offences anyway and didn't require people in their ignorant quest for equality to actually perpetuate inequality.

Could you not say exactly the same about other offences such as racism, religious intolerance and tr@nsphobia all classed as hate crimes - what’s the difference?

Why should misogyny not be classed as a hate crime when it clearly is? Should we remove the offence of hate crimes altogether then? It really should be all or nothing. Anything else is blatant discrimination. .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Could you not say exactly the same about other offences such as racism, religious intolerance and tr@nsphobia.

No.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No.

Why! Misosgny is a hate crime in exactly the same way and should be treated accordingly. I repeat anything else is blatant discrimination.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, just a warning aswell for this thread when I reopen it and for any others in here, if people continue to just attack eachother rather than sticking to the topics of threads then I will just ban you from SDs. It's getting tiresome now and all the threads in here are being ruined.

[Livia]

I can't have escaped every female's notice, that the people posting negatively in threads about women are all men. Men who have never experienced casual sexual oppression in the way women have. And after thousands of years of men speaking for us, they have to learn that we don't need them to sort it out for us. We waited long enough, now we're going to sort it out ourselves.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't have escaped every female's notice, that the people posting negatively in threads about women are all men. Men who have never experienced casual sexual oppression in the way women have. And after thousands of years of men speaking for us, they have to learn that we don't need them to sort it out for us. We waited long enough, now we're going to sort it out ourselves.

No. But you won't point out all of the female posters making regular condescending and derogatory remarks about men and male posters. That doesn't fit the narrative.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. But you won't point out all of the female posters making regular condescending and derogatory remarks about men and male posters. That doesn't fit the narrative.

Maybe it's because it feels like we're still being dictated to, told what and how to think, what to be called, how we should react.... men have had a good couple of thousand year run, now women are thinking and acting for themselves without having to have permission.

No one here has a problem with me, only with men telling them how to be women and what should please or enrage us. I don't know how to be a man. I wouldn't have the chutzpah to tell you how to feel or what to be called.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe it's because it feels like we're still being dictated to, told what and how to think, what to be called, how we should react.... men have had a good couple of thousand year run, now women are thinking and acting for themselves without having to have permission.

No one here has a problem with me, only with men telling them how to be women and what should please or enrage us. I don't know how to be a man. I wouldn't have the chutzpah to tell you how to feel or what to be called.

Funny that, because not once have I told anyone man woman or dog how they should feel about anything.

I haven't dictated any of the things listed. It's not every man's fault that the world worked the way it has. And it has changed and continues to change for the better.

Holding every man up responsible for... having a penis is laughable though.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Funny that, because not once have I told anyone man woman or dog how they should feel about anything.

I haven't dictated any of the things listed. It's not every man's fault that the world worked the way it has. And it has changed and continues to change for the better.

Holding every man up responsible for... having a penis is laughable though.

I'm not holding every man responsible, only those who repeatedly questioned why as a born woman, I object to having a new title given to me by a group of people who do not represent me. And since this thread started all your posts have been negative. For instance, your first comment was: So were basically criminal offences anyway and didn't require people in their ignorant quest for equality to actually perpetuate inequality Protecting the rights of women doesn't mean that men will suffer inequality, but every time there's a discussion about women, about misogyny, about domestic violence, about rape.... you can set your watch my the men who will arrive and give it "whataboutmenthough..." Women are supportive of men's issues, I've never seen a women enter a discussion about men's issues and say "what about women?"

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. But you won't point out all of the female posters making regular condescending and derogatory remarks about men and male posters. That doesn't fit the narrative.

Where?

[Marsh.]

They're negative because I disagree with the OP.

They continue to be negative because I'm then being challenged for being a man and having an opinion on women.

80% of the posts were negative because certain people decided to carry on their little games from another thread but that's mostly now been deleted.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're negative because I disagree with the OP.

They continue to be negative because I'm then being challenged for being a man and having an opinion on women.

80% of the posts were negative because certain people decided to carry on their little games from another thread but that's mostly now been deleted.

I know you disagreed, but why though? Do you think men lose something by having misogyny made a crime, just like other hate crimes?

Of course you can have an opinion, but it seems that every time a man demands the right to have his say on women's issues, they are negative and full of whataboutisms.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know you disagreed, but why though? Do you think men lose something by having misogyny made a crime, just like other hate crimes?

Of course you can have an opinion, but it seems that every time a man demands the right to have his say on women's issues, they are negative and full of whataboutisms.

Demands the right to have his say?
No. Simply having his say.

Why whenever a man gives an opinion it's then twisted to be him stomping on women's turf and butting in?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Demands the right to have his say?
No. Simply having his say.

Why whenever a man gives an opinion it's then twisted to be him stomping on women's turf and butting in?

Only when the responses are negative. Like yours have been this time.

And yes, have your say... but make it constructive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Only when the responses are negative. Like yours have been this time.

And yes, have your say... but make it constructive.

So if my response is negative I'm trampling on female territory and my opinion is not valid. But a positive one is acceptable and means it is suddenly worth something?

So basically, agree with me or shut up?

I'd rather not justify my viewpoint to such a ridiculous double standard.