[arista]

She gets a No.

[The UK government has formally
rejected a call from Scotland's
first minister for a
second independence referendum.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said
a referendum would "continue the
political stagnation Scotland
has seen for the past decade".
And he said First Minister Nicola Sturgeon
had previously pledged that the 2014
referendum would be a "once in a generation" vote.
Ms Sturgeon tweeted that the Tories
were attempting to "deny democracy".]

Tough Titty TS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-51106796

[parmnion]

It would be silly to allow another for all sorts of reasons

[Tom4784]

Any Brexiter that demanded Brexit and made out that any attempts to oppose it is to oppose democracy YET oppose Scotland's right to choose whether they want to stay in the UK or not are complete and utter ****ing hypocrites and Boris is the king of their hypocritical kingdom.

Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP which is anti-brexit and pro-Scotland's independence. The Tories dominance in the election was touted by brexiters as a sign that the public still want brexit yet they cover their eyes to the fact that Scotland is obviously telling us, in the same way, that they want an indyref.

Any brexiter that would oppose Scotland's demand for an indyref is a hypocrite and a poser who only pretends to care about democracy when it benefits them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP which is anti-brexit and pro-Scotland's independence.

55% of Scotland voted for pro-union parties.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Any Brexiter that demanded Brexit and made out that any attempts to oppose it is to oppose democracy YET oppose Scotland's right to choose whether they want to stay in the UK or not are complete and utter ****ing hypocrites and Boris is the king of their hypocritical kingdom.

Scotland voted overwhelmingly for the SNP which is anti-brexit and pro-Scotland's independence. The Tories dominance in the election was touted by brexiters as a sign that the public still want brexit yet they cover their eyes to the fact that Scotland is obviously telling us, in the same way, that they want an indyref.

Any brexiter that would oppose Scotland's demand for an indyref is a hypocrite and a poser who only pretends to care about democracy when it benefits them.

That's not true..

Any brexiteer who vote brexit still sees a chance to convince scotland to stay...it's the anti brexit lot that LOST....they are the hypocrites...hypocrites with an opinion on something that is only seen from one side...totally ignoring the other votes in scotland for parties that wanted brexit...cause it wasn't 18 thousand snp....to nil during the election. .


Imo..the hypocrit is the person ignoring these voters...ando thier rights as a uk voter on a UK issue...IE brexit..

Once In a lifetime, also has the first whiff of a hypocrites fart about it.

[Twosugars]

Well said Dezzy!

They only bleat about democracy when it suits them

[parmnion]

God save our gracious queen.

[Livia]

The last Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime vote". Having another one now because Nicola wants it isn't any more democratic than having a second Brexit referendum.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

The last Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime vote". Having another one now because Nicola wants it isn't any more democratic than having a second Brexit referendum.

Very True
Livia.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

The last Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime vote". Having another one now because Nicola wants it isn't any more democratic than having a second Brexit referendum.

Ok but Nicola won a mandate from the people of Scotland to hold another referendum in the recent election. A much bigger mandate than Boris got for Brexit I might add.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Ok but Nicola won a mandate from the people of Scotland to hold another referendum in the recent election. A much bigger mandate than Boris got for Brexit I might add.

How does that change the fact that the last referendum was a once in a lifetime vote? It didn't say it was a once in a lifetime vote, unless Nicola gets a particularly good result partially because Labour failed. And Boris has a mandate for something the people actually voted for last time.

[bitontheslide]

if Scotland truly want to be independent, they will be, Boris won't be able to stop it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if Scotland truly want to be independent, they will be, Boris won't be able to stop it.

He will.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

How does that change the fact that the last referendum was a once in a lifetime vote? It didn't say it was a once in a lifetime vote, unless Nicola gets a particularly good result partially because Labour failed. And Boris has a mandate for something the people actually voted for last time.

Politicians say a lot of things. Alex Salmond also said before the vote in 2014 there could be a second vote if there was a mandate to hold one in a Scottish Parliament election, which happened in 2016, as well as the second mandate in the election last month. Referendums do tend to be ‘once in a generation’ but Scotland was told the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No. Well we did vote no, and were ignored. A lot has changed since 2014, surely you must see that?

[Cherie]

Sadiq has now issued a licence for a party

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

The last Scottish referendum was a "once in a lifetime vote". Having another one now because Nicola wants it isn't any more democratic than having a second Brexit referendum.

That time voting was undemocratic lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Withano

That time voting was undemocratic lol

Votes are only considered democratic if they benefit brexiters after all. Having votes they don't agree with is the height of anti-democracy in their eyes.

[Tom4784]

Giving the people a choice will always be the democratic option. Trying to peddle that another vote would be undemocratic is actually senseless and an example of the Brexiter attitude of 'it's democracy if I say so but if you oppose me, you oppose democracy itself'.

Every vote that has ever been presented to the public is democratic, it doesn't stop being democratic just because it doesn't suit you.

[Ammi]

...for me ‘once in a lifetime’ and ‘democratic’ contradict each other...once in a lifetime is not conducive to democracy...democracy is representative of a majority public and that will always be open to change, depending on many factors...it doesn’t represent a ‘one day in their life public’...that would be for me, everything that democracy isn’t...’you made that choice/decision, you can’t change it...time can evolve things into a completely different scenario so that your choice is not the choice that you considered at the time...and we can make any changes to choices but you can’t...’...etc, etc...makes no sense at all in progressiveness of any society that considers itself democratic...in my humblest of opinions of course...

[bitontheslide]

you are wrong Arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you are wrong Arista

You Are


They will try a Catalonia
style - which means non official

[Tom4784]

If the 'once in a lifetime' line was true, there would have been no EU ref since the last time we voted on the issue before 2016, we voted ourselves back in.

[Twosugars]

The longer the cons oppose it the more popular it will get. Win-win imo

[Twosugars]

Didnt know there was a party celebrating the refusal of the referendum

So many parties..wow

[James]

I can't believe so many people are cheer leading for the UK to be broken up.

It's like Remainers are thinking 'we didn't get what we wanted with Brexit so we might as well trash the country'.