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Liberty4eva · 14-06-2020, 10:35 AM

I'm sure this will fascinate some people here. Here's the obvious question: did the cop act appropriately?

Oliver_W · 14-06-2020, 10:43 AM

So brawling with armed cops can get you killed? Even if the cops were acting completely reasonable up until that point? Gosh.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

arista · 14-06-2020, 10:47 AM

Yes The Cop's were doing there Job
its sad he took a Taser, and Fired it at the Police.

Drunk driver for sure

There is a uncut video on this link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...de-Wendys.html

The Slim Reaper · 14-06-2020, 10:54 AM

No one needed to die. They have his details, so let him sneak away and pick him up the following day when he's sober. Bravado and machismo took over and their ego's became the most important thing, rather than a man's life.

More worried about getting stick in the locker room from other cops than to actually protect and serve.

arista · 14-06-2020, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No one needed to die. They have his details, so let him sneak away and pick him up the following day when he's sober. Bravado and machismo took over and their ego's became the most important thing, rather than a man's life.

More worried about getting stick in the locker room from other cops than to actually protect and serve.

He fires a Taser he took from one officer
So the Cop fired from a distance
its sad he died.
That Young Cop was Fired.

He was doing his Job.

The Slim Reaper · 14-06-2020, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He fires a Taser he took from one officer
So the Cop fired from a distance
its sad he died.
That Young Cop was Fired.

He was doing his Job.

No one needed to die. He was running away so he wasn't a threat to them. This isn't the wild west. Someone doing something bad isn't an excuse for murder.

arista · 14-06-2020, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No one needed to die. He was running away so he wasn't a threat to them. This isn't the wild west. Someone doing something bad isn't an excuse for murder.

Wrong
that changed once he Fired the stolen Taser at the Police

How can you - not see that?

Liberty4eva · 14-06-2020, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No one needed to die. They have his details, so let him sneak away and pick him up the following day when he's sober. Bravado and machismo took over and their ego's became the most important thing, rather than a man's life.

More worried about getting stick in the locker room from other cops than to actually protect and serve.

I also think they didn't need to kill him. He wasn't posing a threat to the officers. He was trying to get away. They had his license and everything.

arista · 14-06-2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I also think they didn't need to kill him. He wasn't posing a threat to the officers. He was trying to get away. They had his license and everything.

Yes but running away from a Legit Arrest
Grabbing a Cop's taser, and Firing it

He was a threat.

The Slim Reaper · 14-06-2020, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes but running away from a Legit Arrest
Grabbing a Cop's taser, and Firing it

He was a threat.

In what world is running in the opposite direction a threat?

Liberty4eva · 14-06-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes but running away from a Legit Arrest
Grabbing a Cop's taser, and Firing it

He was a threat.

He only fired it because he was running after him.

Oliver_W · 14-06-2020, 11:01 AM

His firing feels a bit like a "sacrificial lamb" because of all that's going on.

No-one could reasonably say this cop should face criminal charges, and the killing doesn't even warrant a brick being thrown, but in the current climate the force can't be seen to let it slide.

arista · 14-06-2020, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

His firing feels a bit like a "sacrificial lamb" because of all that's going on.

No-one could reasonably say this cop should face criminal charges, and the killing doesn't even warrant a brick being thrown, but in the current climate the force can't be seen to let it slide.

Yes
and the Police Chief
also resigned.

He did everything by the book.

That perp was 100% Drunk Driver

Denver · 14-06-2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

His firing feels a bit like a "sacrificial lamb" because of all that's going on.

No-one could reasonably say this cop should face criminal charges, and the killing doesn't even warrant a brick being thrown, but in the current climate the force can't be seen to let it slide.

If he deserves to be killed for holding a known lethal weapon then sk dot he cops

Liam- · 14-06-2020, 11:08 AM

Shooting someone in the back while they’re running away, with a non-lethal weapon is grounds for being fired

user104658 · 14-06-2020, 11:49 AM

To be fair... To say that a taser is not a potentially deadly weapon is just not true. They can do a lot of damage in the wrong hands up to and including killing someone. They couldn't reasonably just let someone go home with a deadly weapon stolen from the police and pick it up later... That would be insanely reckless.

However, they knew for a fact that he only had a taser, so why did they not use... Tasers? Why use a firearm that's far more likely to cause a fatal injury?

Again it's one of those situations where I can't help but think, if it had happened in the UK this person would be alive because shooting him wouldn't have been an option. They would have found another way to apprehend him and get the weapon back. Which means, its obviously possible to police without relying on lethal force... And it feels like in places where they have the option, it's often used out of simple habit, laziness or fear.

Denver · 14-06-2020, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair... To say that a taser is not a potentially deadly weapon is just not true. They can do a lot of damage in the wrong hands up to and including killing someone. They couldn't reasonably just let someone go home with a deadly weapon stolen from the police and pick it up later... That would be insanely reckless.

However, they knew for a fact that he only had a taser, so why did they not use... Tasers? Why use a firearm that's far more likely to cause a fatal injury?

Again it's one of those situations where I can't help but think, if it had happened in the UK this person would be alive because shooting him wouldn't have been an option. They would have found another way to apprehend him and get the weapon back. Which means, its obviously possible to police without relying on lethal force... And it feels like in places where they have the option, it's often used out of simple habit, laziness or fear.

The officers also had body armour on so if he hit their chest with it then it would be ineffective

bots · 14-06-2020, 12:11 PM

i would say it was down to training deficiencies more than anything else. Someone who is trained knows how to approach those situations and how to react properly

Marsh. · 14-06-2020, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair... To say that a taser is not a potentially deadly weapon is just not true. They can do a lot of damage in the wrong hands up to and including killing someone. They couldn't reasonably just let someone go home with a deadly weapon stolen from the police and pick it up later... That would be insanely reckless.

However, they knew for a fact that he only had a taser, so why did they not use... Tasers? Why use a firearm that's far more likely to cause a fatal injury?

Again it's one of those situations where I can't help but think, if it had happened in the UK this person would be alive because shooting him wouldn't have been an option. They would have found another way to apprehend him and get the weapon back. Which means, its obviously possible to police without relying on lethal force... And it feels like in places where they have the option, it's often used out of simple habit, laziness or fear.

This.

Situations like this make it clear that guns are the easy resort for cops rather than the last one.

user104658 · 14-06-2020, 11:53 AM

I actually saw a video from somewhere near here recently of a guy (drug addict, I believe) going nuts in the street, smashing up cars, got surrounded by police and started smashing a police van window and attacking the police. He was tasered and arrested. I couldn't help but think... If this was America he'd be full of holes.

Liberty4eva · 14-06-2020, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually saw a video from somewhere near here recently of a guy (drug addict, I believe) going nuts in the street, smashing up cars, got surrounded by police and started smashing a police van window and attacking the police. He was tasered and arrested. I couldn't help but think... If this was America he'd be full of holes.

Probably.

arista · 14-06-2020, 12:10 PM

"Why use a firearm that's far more likely to cause a fatal injury?"

The cop was running after him
he refused to stop
it's normal in USA to fire a gun,
Sadly he died.

He would not let them Cuff him.

user104658 · 14-06-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

"Why use a firearm that's far more likely to cause a fatal injury?"

The cop was running after him
he refused to stop
it's normal to fire a gun,
Sadly he died.

He would not let them Cuff him.

Firing a gun at a fleeing suspect is not "normal" at all, and is in fact very likely the reason the officer was fired.