[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-an...uffre-12377669



[A lawsuit has been filed in the US
accusing Prince Andrew of sexually
abusing Virginia Giuffre,
according to one of her lawyers.
Ms Giuffre claims she was a victim of
late financier and convicted
paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

She has previously said she was
made to have sex when she was 17
with Prince Andrew,
who has always categorically denied
any sexual contact or relationship with her.

Ms Giuffre's lawyer, David Boies,
confirmed to Sky News that a lawsuit had been filed
on Monday afternoon in a federal court in Manhattan.

It alleges the prince abused Ms Giuffre
on several occasions when she was under 18.]

[Ammi]

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

They are saying it will go ahead without him there.
It could end up with the Royal Family
paying Cash to her

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

They are saying it will go ahead without him there.
It could end up with the Royal Family
paying Cash to her

…I can’t imagine any amount of money that would touch them…it’s obviously something that will feel like some accountability to her if she wins but it still won’t bring any criminal justice…

[rusticgal]

Im delighted as he is most likely guilty of all charges.


Makes me laugh though how the Americans say NOBODY is above the Law when they continue to protect the Diplomats wife...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Im delighted as he is most likely guilty of all charges.


Makes me laugh though how the Americans say NOBODY is above the Law when they continue to protect the Diplomats wife...

Haha... so true!


If he's innocent then he has nothing to fear, surely.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

[The Slim Reaper]

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.

Yes,
& he is not sweating.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked……I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

[Ammi]

…or similar even to what TS said, flaunting his quick typing skills…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, no sweat….

Originally Posted by arista

Yes,
& he is not sweating.

…been there/ done that, Arista, hun….

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

Originally Posted by Ammi

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked……I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

…yeah, that’s what makes him ‘above the law’ in that those Royal legal teams will never let him go…

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Epsteins.html

[bitontheslide]

it will end up settled out of court with a gag order applied, so it wont achieve anything other than her getting a bit of cash and his chances of conviction lessened

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it will end up settled out of court with a gag order applied, so it wont achieve anything other than her getting a bit of cash and his chances of conviction lessened

Yes could happen

[Nicky91]

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by nicky91

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about andrew the paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

there is no of course about it

that is mob justice

this is an allegation

[Cherie]

let's see how this one plays out

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

let's see how this one plays out

…yeah, no sweat….

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, no sweat….

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

Yet you are quite happy to trash the allegations against Cuomo and doubt those women??

I'm in no way saying that Andrew is innocent here, I think we all know he most probably isn't, the same way that Cuomo probably isn't

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yet you are quite happy to trash the allegations against Cuomo and doubt those women??

I'm in no way saying that Andrew is innocent here, I think we all know he most probably isn't, the same way that Cuomo probably isn't

where did i defend Cuomo the disgusting pig