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Old 13-10-2007, 06:50 PM #1
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What are your opinions on religion?







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I am a Christian but I accept the Bible was written by man, so parts might be made up (the Book of Genesis) for one
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I am an Atheist
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do ye think it does more harm than good
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im a catholic myself but i dont take it too seriously
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Sometimes yes, such as the "Holy Wars"
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I don’t like the term ‘religion’ to be honest; it’s in fact that central idea I disagree with. Automatically it separates different beliefs and ways of life rather than strengthening the links and going by what is common between them. For some people, it is these clashes and the view that they as people are doing what’s right as opposed to other people, which is what causes problems. Instead, it’d be better to seek out the good qualities. That is why I prefer to say ‘way of life’ or general ‘belief’ rather than religion... it’s a lot more open-minded, in my opinion.
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I'm nothing.
I don't believe in religion, including atheism. I accept nothing, nor decline nothing. The whole concept of religion does not exist with me.

Edit: Actually, pretty similar to what Ash said.
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Ive expressed my views far too many times on religion in the past, so I really don't have the patience to explain myself fully...

But all I will say is that im atheist, religion causes more harm than good, and if you have a relatively decent head on your shoulders/preferably good intelligence then it's ridiculous how many arguments can be presented proving religion as false.

Whereas religion doesn't have one argument in its favour. Opinions maybe, but a genuine argument based on facts it seems not.

If people are genuinely made happier through religion then im pleased for them, but in my opinion they're deluding themselves into false senses of security and love from god. Not to mention it making it ten times easier to cope with the fact you're going to die, if you think you're going to a magical place full of happiness.

The very concept of religion is ridiculous, it's only accepted because it's common place amongst the world and taught to people as children. It's a device to bring meaning into some people's lives, for those who are lacking something.
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its an intresting topic
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Tbh i used to be christian but after personal issues I'm now Atheist
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I am catholic. But it has been a big debate in my family because my father is russian then he isn't catholic and as my mother is italian she is. I don't go to the church every sunday but it's something about you can't joke. In Italy, you can't touch the religion, it's like your sister, don't touch and you respect it. Even mean or bad people pray, they do respect it.
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I'm not really sure what I am. I go to a Catholic school and have a Catholic education, but there are things in the Catholic Church I disagree with, so I don't think I can really call myself a Catholic, and I don't call myself one neither.

I do have certain beliefs, I do believe in God, but sometimes I wonder if it's just because I've been taught about God at school and have just got used to the idea of there being a God. But then again, I've always thought that there must be something like God that exists, it can't all be Science and stuff (not sure if that makes sense, I'm not sure how to correctly put what I mean into words).

I'm not entirely sure and I think I need to give it a lot of thought. But right now I'm not going to give it very much thought, I don't think I need to.
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I've been baptised as a Christian but I don't believe in God or Jesus etc. so i'm atheist now.
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I am a Christian

"Religion" in the past and the present has been used as an excuse for people to satisfy their own lusts, (Sexual, greed etc.) If you examine the teachings of the religion, they are sometimes at variance with what some so called adherents practice.
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I am a Catholic. I am non-practicing and am unsure of what I was brought up to believe in. I do believe there is something, and no I am not of limited intelligence, I choose to belive that there may be something better for us. I dont like the thought that this is it for all of us! I want the better place and to want it you have to believe in it!!
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Catholic but im not serious about it.
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I dont like the thought that this is it for all of us! I want the better place and to want it you have to believe in it!!

Very true Sunny_01, but this is precisely why there was ever a demand for religion in the first place.IMO.

Not only that but to believe there is 'the better place' one has to also believe in both the unimaginable and the unproven,hence the biblical myths and miracles. I do believe there is some force that has to be far greater than we can comprehend, but I just don't like the way we are supposed to believe that we know what it is,was, or will ever be.

I also feel that one day this will be accepted, and peace on earth may become a reality.
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One thing I will say is this...

Everything is created by something, correct?

Ourselves, the earth, the solar system, the universe and everything within it.
A constant chain of things created by one thing or another.

I was created by my parents, and they were created by there's, and it goes on and on.

As is the same with the universe.
Something created our planet, and our solar system, and our universe.
For the Big bang to have existed, it would have had to explode into something, which is why people ask what is outside of our universe.

Something had to create the big bang, or even god. If god is some form of being he has to stem from somewhere. And what ever created either of those, was created by something else, and something else created that, and something created that, and it goes on and on and on and on until eventually we trace things so far back that something had to start everything off, correct?

Something had to start the creation process, something without a creator.
Something that defies all sense of logic and science and was there all along.
As it's literally impossible for the chain of creation not to end somewhere, as the further back in time we go there has to be a time when TIME itself started, correct?

Which is the only reason I believe in something currently beyond our comprehension, but I don't believe it's any form of god.

If time itself is traced back to the first moments that time started, then it makes sense that something out there had the power to create time and motion..whatever that thing was is beyond us, and whats more is whatever created time might have its own creator, and something that created that, and that, until it possibly goes along to things we'd never be able to understand.
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I rerember discussing the topic "When time began" in Serious Debates, I'll link you to it
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One thing I will say is this...

Everything is created by something, correct?

Ourselves, the earth, the solar system, the universe and everything within it.
A constant chain of things created by one thing or another.

I was created by my parents, and they were created by there's, and it goes on and on.

As is the same with the universe.
Something created our planet, and our solar system, and our universe.
For the Big bang to have existed, it would have had to explode into something, which is why people ask what is outside of our universe.

Something had to create the big bang, or even god. If god is some form of being he has to stem from somewhere. And what ever created either of those, was created by something else, and something else created that, and something created that, and it goes on and on and on and on until eventually we trace things so far back that something had to start everything off, correct?

Something had to start the creation process, something without a creator.
Something that defies all sense of logic and science and was there all along.
As it's literally impossible for the chain of creation not to end somewhere, as the further back in time we go there has to be a time when TIME itself started, correct?

Which is the only reason I believe in something currently beyond our comprehension, but I don't believe it's any form of god.

Nice post and logical evaluation
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It has to be beyond comprehension, and I do think the concept of God fits in... personally I accept that there is a higher being... more like a spirit, which brought about our entire universe.

As for what people believe, e.g. what happens after death, I think that's an interesting one. For example, why is there right and wrong? If everything was purely scientific, then the world could have evolved with plenty of creatures, none of which would have the capacity for understanding such as humans.

We've been given the opportunity to reason, as opposed to being ruled by passion - and as far as I'm aware there isn't a logical explanation for it. I feel that general right and wrong should, after all, end up in an ultimate right and wrong.
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I tried to add/edit an extra paragraph before anyone else posted but it seems I was too late lol...but it wasn't anything too exciting.

Question is, if there is some form of spirit, scientists would want to know how not only that spirit gained powers of such magnitude, but how it actually uses them.

They'd also want to know if there are any more spirits with the same capabilities? And what created the spirit in the first place? And if it was the very thing that started creating everything originally...then im sure they'd have a difficult time trying to fathom how something came to be, without actually coming to be [as in it's here, but it wasn't created from anything.]

The very idea of something that wasn't "made" sounds ridiculous, yet it's inevitable somewhere down the line, and not one of us can possibly get our heads around how it could be here.

The worst thing is I don't see anybody finding the answers unless something came along and told us, and educated us on the matter. Which is seeming rather unlikely after all this time.

I personally believe gods and spirits is about the most extreme thing we can possibly devise in our minds for an explanation...when the truth of the matter is it's more likely that however things came to be is beyond the mere thinking of humankind sitting out in the middle of the universe leading there lives and debating the matter all day long, because we simply haven't got the power to create a universe and beyond, so how would we know what goes into the process? There's an explanation that's so detailed, so complicated that we can't just manage to think of it...and literally would have to be told in order to think "Ah, that makes sense..so that's how everything came to exist"

Science does have a hold on most things...
Which is why even if something magical and currently beyond our so called laws of science did exist, that there would still have to be an explanation as to how it can do those things. Eg. does it just magic them up by thinking it? if so, what actually enables its thoughts to take physical form? etc.
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