[Matt]

Brown dines at the last supper

GORDON Brown last night surrendered centuries of British power to Brussels in a “last supper” washed down with fine wine.

The PM has refused to give the British people a say in a referendum on the EU Treaty even though it is 96 per cent the same as the dumped constitution.

He casually tossed away our veto in 61 areas of law-making over a meal of grilled sole and chocolate cake accompanied by fine wines during historic talks in Lisbon, Portugal.

Mr Brown will sign the completed document in December before using his majority to force it through the Commons next Spring.

There was a delay in the talks as Italy and Poland dug their heels in as they battled for more rights.

But late last night the two nations were granted last-minute concessions.

EU leaders still had to clear one hurdle over appointing a new, more powerful European foreign policy chief.

But the agreement was all but done.

Mr Brown insisted once more yesterday that there will be NO referendum over the Treaty for the British people.

And he again insisted that the constitution — dumped two years ago by France and Holland — was NOT the same as the new Treaty.

Yet a string of other EU leaders have confirmed it IS the same — and carries 96 per cent of the measures in the original constitution.

And today Mr Brown's own backbencher, Labour MP Kate Hoey, agreed that the treaty agreed by EU leaders at the Lisbon summit WAS virtually the same as the abandoned constitution which the Government had promised to put to the country in a referendum.

She told BBC Radio 4's the World at one: “If he (Mr Brown) is so pleased with this agreement and if it is so wonderful, then the people of this country should have the right to decide because it is certainly 99% the same as what was agreed."

Mr Brown insisted he has won a string of ‘red lines’ guaranteeing Britain control over foreign and security matters, tax, and law and order.

He said hours before agreeing to the Treaty: “The British national interest is protected. This issue should now go before Parliament for a very detailed debate. All the protections built in mean Britain still decides on major issues.”

Strawberries

Mr Brown joined the heads of 26 other EU states for yesterday’s talks.

They dined on vegetable crêpes, grilled sole with saffron rice, chocolate cake and strawberries — all washed down with local Cartuxa wine.

Nothing was signed or initialled by the leaders — that will happen at a formal ceremony in December.

The Treaty will be the first concrete step towards a United States of Europe — complete with a permanent President.

A new foreign minister will replace Britain’s elected Foreign Secretary at some key international summits.

And we will be FORCED to surrender our seat at the UN Security Council if the EU has an agreed position on a global issue.

Our veto in 61 areas will go — making it impossible for us to block unwanted EU dictats.

And Britain’s ability to make deals with other EU states to stop Commission laws will be massively watered down.

Mr Brown insisted Britain’s national interest will be protected because four red lines will guarantee sovereignty in key areas. They protect us from EU laws on crime-fighting, tax and social security rules, workplace legislation and union rights and foreign affairs.

But the PM bluntly ignored warnings from his own Labour MPs on a Commons committee which last week said the red lines are meaningless.

They warned the Charter of Fundamental Rights opposed by Mr Brown will simply be imposed on us in future years by the European Court of Justice.

The opt-out from EU justice and home affairs laws is actually an opt-IN.

And if we agree to a new power in this area we will be locked in for good — even if the details of the measures change in a way we don’t want.

Shop-floor laws will also be forced on us after EU trade union leaders agreed to adopt a ‘social model’ giving workers more rights and saddling firms with costly red tape.

The treaty was drawn up to help the 27 European Union members work more efficiently.

Other EU countries happily admit it means pooling some of their powers to get the organisation to agree new laws. But Mr Brown and his ministers have repeatedly claimed there are NO drawbacks to the deal — and they insist Britain is coming out of it well.

The PM made it clear last night he now wants to take on his critics in the House when he tries to ram the Treaty through Parliament next Spring.

It is due to become law in the UK on January 1, 2009.

Mr Brown raised the prospect of bitter Maastricht-style Commons battles over the Treaty next year. The Maastricht agreement helped tear the Tories apart under John Major in 1992.

Referendum

Conservative leader David Cameron has already promised a referendum on the Treaty if he wins power.

Last night the Tories unveiled a new poster campaign saying: ‘Who has a say on the EU Treaty? Not you. Just Gordon’.

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said: “Gordon Brown cannot walk away from his manifesto promise of a referendum.

“He has absolutely no democratic mandate to agree to this Treaty. It is not just his decision — the final say must belong to the British people.” An astonishing total of 128,000 Sun readers have demanded a referendum on the rejigged EU Constitution.

Almost 84,000 called our phone poll, while 24,000 signed our online petition and 20,000 sent in coupons.

From The Sun Online - Source article

I can't believe that he would sell us out like this...

...well, I can, but still, Labour promised us a referendum in their election manifesto!

What are your feelings on this?

[\PJ/]

Yes the people of britain will moan about situations,like this but really if they want change they know who to vote for,conservatives when they come into power we will all see a massive diffrence.This article has shocked and disgraced me.

[Sunny_01]

I am so un-shocked by this news. Gordon Brown is obviously going to follow in the footsteps of his power happy pal Mr Blair. Thank you Mr Brown for taking our rights to be involved away from us, thank you for making us part of something many do not want to be a part of.

[Tom4784]

Errm Forgive me but i haven't got a head for politics but what does this mean? Does this mean we're gonna be ruled by brussels? I'm confused.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Errm Forgive me but i haven't got a head for politics but what does this mean? Does this mean we're going to be ruled by brussels? I'm confused.

Basically, Gordon Brown is giving our veto in 61 key areas of government to the idiots at Brussels, so yes, it's giving Brussels a whole lot more power over our lives.

It's a frigging con - we don't want to be part of a "United States of Europe"!

It's very sickening...

God how I wish the Tories were in power

[Tom4784]

I don't want to be ruled by Brussels! This is bad, Gordon Brown has betrayed everyone with this.

[Matt]

Just been watching a Government debate on the issue...

...grr... I can't believe he's doing this...

[Shaun]

As much as I'm annoyed by this, quoting the Sun isn't exactly the best political analysis available out there

[Matt]

Originally posted by Shaun
As much as I'm annoyed by this, quoting the Sun isn't exactly the best political analysis available out there

No, but the topic is still worthy of a debate

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Errm Forgive me but i haven't got a head for politics but what does this mean? Does this mean we're going to be ruled by brussels? I'm confused.

Tory scare mongering. They always use Europe to pick up votes....

If you look at the way UK Governments have ruled Britain including the Tories you might think we stand a better chance of a better society if we were ruled by others.

There are a lot more members to the EU now and it needs modernising to cope with new situations. All countries belonging to a club of nations will eventually have to compromise with each other in order for the system to fly.......

Tories are well known for exploiting peoples fears about Europe. Its about vote catching just like their tax bribe policies are........Take this rubbish scare mongering with a huge pinch of salt........

[Shaun]

Originally posted by bananarama

Tory scare mongering. They always use Europe to pick up votes....

If you look at the way UK Governments have ruled Britain including the Tories you might think we stand a better chance of a better society if we were ruled by others.

There are a lot more members to the EU now and it needs modernising to cope with new situations. All countries belonging to a club of nations will eventually have to compromise with each other in order for the system to fly.......

Tories are well known for exploiting peoples fears about Europe. Its about vote catching just like their tax bribe policies are........Take this rubbish scare mongering with a huge pinch of salt........

Umm thanks, but no thanks. We can rule our own country quite capably without European intervention.

I can't even start on your quote (although I'm not sure if you agree with it, since it was in a hypothetical tone) "we stand a better chance of a better society if we were rules by others". We're a sovereign country, we shouldn't HAVE to be ruled by others.

We've fought hundreds of wars and battles for independence over the years, and in my opinion it's an insult to those who fought against an imperialist Europe 60 years ago.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Shaun

Umm thanks, but no thanks. We can rule our own country quite capably without European intervention.

I can't even start on your quote (although I'm not sure if you agree with it, since it was in a hypothetical tone) "we stand a better chance of a better society if we were rules by others". We're a sovereign country, we shouldn't HAVE to be ruled by others.

We've fought hundreds of wars and battles for independence over the years, and in my opinion it's an insult to those who fought against an imperialist Europe 60 years ago.

Really!!! Looking at the state of British culture today it is our leaders who are an insult to those who died for freedom.....

Freedom has been sold down the river. Civilised behavour is sold down the river. Those that died in recent wars have indeed died in vane.....and more are dying in vane in Iraq and Afganistan and will continue to do so under our brilliantly decadent leadership...

[Shaun]

If freedom has "been sold down the river", why give it away entirely.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Shaun
If freedom has "been sold down the river", why give it away entirely.

OK list the freedoms you think the EU will take from us under the new agreement!!!!!!!