[Red Moon]

Looks like we have the reason why Rhydian wants to do the X Factor and why he didn't make it onto Joseph and the Technicolor Dream Coat. He can't do real opera on the stage.

A few years ago he did Carmen at the Symphony Hall in Birmingham. One critic wrote of his performance: "Rhydian Roberts' unformed Morales made for a limp Act I start"

So it doesn't like he can do musical theatre after all. It's the X Factor or bust!

[GiRTh]

And when he wins, he'll get a million pound recording contract.

[Matt]

Originally posted by GiRTh
And when he wins, he'll get a million pound recording contract.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
And when he wins, he'll get a million pound recording contract.

And what a waste of a 1 million pounds that will be.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon

And what a waste of a 1 million pounds that will be.

Not when he gets the Christmas number one and then cleans up at the Classical Brits.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Not when he gets the Christmas number one and then cleans up at the Classical Brits.

The only way he will be cleaning up at the Classical Brits is if the cleaning firm employ him. There is more chance that he will disappear in a welsh bog than him winning an award.

To be honest if he did make number one it wouldn't stay there for long. Your average teenager is going to get to bored with opera pretty quickly.

Looking at the review of the opera he was in once the pop machine has spit him out he better start looking for a new career because not going to have much luck on the stage. The high opera people won't like the fact he has gone over to the dark side and recorded pop music.

[XxShortyxX]

I want him or Niki to win. However, I don't think he (or if Niki wins) will get to Xmas No.1. As Leona is realseing a Xmas song and I think she might get to No.1, which I hope she dose, as she out shines everyone in this years X Factor.

[GiRTh]

Teenagers won't be buying his records. The 15-25 years olds are a huge demographic but the over 30's is just as big. Rhydian will appeal more to the older fan. Jamie Cullum has succeeded in making Jazz more mainstream perhaps Rhydian can do the same with Opera.

[Red Moon]

He really should have stuck to sing Opera Songs, that is where his talent is.

Originally posted by GiRTh
Teenagers won't be buying his records. The 15-25 years olds are a huge demographic but the over 30's is just as big. Rhydian will appeal more to the older fan.

The average 15-25 year old would be ashamed to tell their mates that they have the complete works of Rhydian. The guy doesn't have much street cred.

While no one over 30 with any taste would buy his records. The people that like popular music will see him as an Opera singer trying to do pop and failing while the Opera lovers will snub him for trying to do pop.

He can't win really. After his initial fame wears off he record sales will fall greatly and he will be left competing with all the other Opera singers singing popular music for a share of a very small market.

Originally posted by GiRTh
Jamie Cullum has succeeded in making Jazz more mainstream perhaps Rhydian can do the same with Opera.

But Rhydian has no personality he is all arrogance.

[GiRTh]

Opera is by no means a small market. The likes of Andrea Bocelli, Russell Watkins and Katherine Jenkins are worldwide stars who sell millions. There is a growing list of what are termed 'Opera crossover' singers. Rhydian could definitely become one of them.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Opera is by no means a small market. The likes of Andrea Bocelli, Russell Watkins and Katherine Jenkins are worldwide stars who sell millions. There is a growing list of what are termed 'Opera crossover' singers. Rhydian could definitely become one of them.

Yes he has talent but does he have enough so he can compete against the established crossover singers that are already established in the world market place?

He clearly doesn't have the Opera lineage of some of the names you quoted and he was a flop in Carmen and I can't find anything else he has done so he can't have done much.

The X-Factor show will only take him so far and the million pound contract will soon be over and the money spent. Then what does he do?

[Shaun]

You've just gotta love Red Moon's pedantry (I think that's the right word for pedantic-ness )

If he hates someone, he really hates them

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Yes he has talent but does he have enough so he can compete against the established crossover singers that are already established in the world market place?

He clearly doesn't have the Opera lineage of some of the names you quoted and he was a flop in Carmen and I can't find anything else he has done so he can't have done much.

The X-Factor show will only take him so far and the million pound contract will soon be over and the money spent. Then what does he do?

I mentioned Jamie Cullum earlier on. I've heard that he's despised by proper Jazzheads. A friend of mine, who a big classical music and opera fan, hate the likes of Charlotte Church and Russell Watson. Those artist do, however, have a huge army of crossover fans. If Rhydian wins X-factor he'll have a name that many of the crossover audience can relate to, so I dont see him not being successful.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I mentioned Jamie Cullum earlier on. I've heard that he's despised by proper Jazzheads. A friend of mine, who a big classical music and opera fan, hate the likes of Charlotte Church and Russell Watson. Those artist do, however, have a huge army of crossover fans. If Rhydian wins X-factor he'll have a name that many of the crossover audience can relate to, so I dont see him not being successful.

It a much smaller market than would be available to a more main stream artist. Look at Leona from last year she has massive record sales. Rhydian will never achieve that level of sales in years and years in the pseudo classical music market.

I know Simon is keen to get into that market and believes he can make the music more main stream I can't see Rhydian doing for it. Rhydian is really is stuck with the Opera sound and he is far too over trained to sound any different. They must be having to pick his songs so carefully because there are so many songs he won't be able to sing because of his training which stresses the singing the notes directly in the middle of beats and never early or late which often occurs in popular music.

One thing is for sure if Ryhdian wins then he will be a poor investment for Simon.

[GiRTh]

^^I'm not so sure he'll be a poor investment.^^

Simon was the mastermind behind Il Divo. OK they're not as successful as they used to be but they've achieved a fair amount of success.

I think, from the finalist Rhydian is definitely one of the MORE marketable acts.

[Z]

Originally posted by GiRTh
^^I'm not so sure he'll be a poor investment.^^

Simon was the mastermind behind Il Divo. OK they're not as successful as they used to be but they've achieved a fair amount of success.

I think, from the finalist Rhydian is definitely one of the MORE marketable acts.

But not in the pop genre. I give him a maximum of two hit singles, before he fades into oblivion, forever releasing albums and not singles. I think he's going to win it. I don't think that's a good thing. I think it's unfair to have put him through to the final 12 - I believe the only other contestant with any kind of proper training is Sarah from Same Difference (?) It was very clear within two weeks that Rhydian was going to make the final. I don't think that's very fair. Even with Leona, I'm not sure anyone knew just how good she was until week 4ish. With Rhydian, it's a bit of a pointless exercise - he will release music regardless of where he finishes. So hopefully he'll get voted off before the final, which not only opens up the competition, but means instead of having an OPERA singer winning a POP competition, we have a winner who sings POP music.

[Polka.dot]

since when is the x factor pop its about having the x factor .

[Z]

Originally posted by bigbro323
since when is the x factor pop its about having the x factor .

Right, because the winner of the X Factor is going to focus on releasing music NOT aimed at the pop music market. Pop[ular] music is popular. That's why it's aimed at pop music.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by GiRTh
^^I'm not so sure he'll be a poor investment.^^

Simon was the mastermind behind Il Divo. OK they're not as successful as they used to be but they've achieved a fair amount of success.

The key words in the last sentence are not as in not successful and the use of the past tense for the word achieved indicating they are not successful any more. Unfortunately Rhydian's career could follow the same patten. Successful for a while and then never heard of again.

Originally posted by GiRTh
I think, from the finalist Rhydian is definitely one of the MORE marketable acts.

I'm sure that people that are supporting him on the show will buy everything he ever releases. After all his so different from your run of the mill popular music artist and he is a great talent. I keep reading about it on here.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
I want him or Niki to win. However, I don't think he (or if Niki wins) will get to Xmas No.1. As Leona is realseing a Xmas song and I think she might get to No.1, which I hope she dose, as she out shines everyone in this years X Factor.

Leona's not releasing a song at Xmas.Simon Cowell is in charge of when she releases songs and he wont bother putting up for a battle with the X-Factor winner, it's not anyone's best interests.