[farhad]

Sorry, guys it not a popaganda, its science.

[18] The Kaaba was thought to be at the center of the world, with the Gate of Heaven directly above it. The Kaaba marked the location where the divine world intersected with the mundane, and the embedded Black Stone was a further symbol of this as a meteorite that had fallen from the sky and linked heaven and earth.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba

In the world map Mecca is in the centre of earth if you just google through. In astronomy book it says Ka'bah in Mecca was a meteorite that hit Earth.

[rayheartbliss]

funcky!

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by farhad
Sorry, guys it not a popaganda.

Lauren edit: Your comment could be interpreted as being racist/ignorant of faiths

[Lauren]

Stop falsely claiming these things farhad, it's seriously getting on my wick. You have absolutely no respect for people of other faiths/no faith at all.

We've discussed this in U2U's and you NEVER answer any questions. If you even dare suggest I convert to Islam - at least provide a valid argument.

Incase you lost your mind since then and now, I shall remind you of a few of the points I brought forward to you.
[*] How do you know the modern translation of the Qu'ran that states this, is the same as ancient arabic texts that are difficult to translate anyway? [*] Validity of these texts as being "ancient" in severe disrepute. How can YOU explain to me that the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts are actually from THAT long ago?[*] You state things as "scientific facts" which in itself is a severe oxymoron. There is no such thing as a SCIENTIFIC FACT. The very basis of science is the falsify something alternative explanations, not to PROVE on explanation.[*] Not to mention the fact your apparently science is severely flawed.[*] A lot of your arguments are just copied and pasted extracts from previous internet discussions. I have caught you out a number of times on this; either you're part of a converting movement, or you actually have nothing valid to say.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Lauren
Stop falsely claiming these things farhad, it's seriously getting on my wick. You have absolutely no respect for people of other faiths/no faith at all.

We've discussed this in U2U's and you NEVER answer any questions. If you even dare suggest I convert to Islam - at least provide a valid argument.

Incase you lost your mind since then and now, I shall remind you of a few of the points I brought forward to you.
[*] How do you know the modern translation of the Qu'ran that states this, is the same as ancient arabic texts that are difficult to translate anyway? [*] Validity of these texts as being "ancient" in severe disrepute. How can YOU explain to me that the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts are actually from THAT long ago?[*] You state things as "scientific facts" which in itself is a severe oxymoron. There is no such thing as a SCIENTIFIC FACT. The very basis of science is the falsify something alternative explanations, not to PROVE on explanation.[*] Not to mention the fact your apparently science is severely flawed.[*] A lot of your arguments are just copied and pasted extracts from previous internet discussions. I have caught you out a number of times on this; either you're part of a converting movement, or you actually have nothing valid to say.

Completly off topic but I just have to ask - Lauren, who's the fitty in your sig?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Arneldo

Completly off topic but I just have to ask - Lauren, who's the fitty in your sig?

Only the most gorgeous man known to Earth (His name is Penn Badgley, he plays Dan Humphrey in Gossip Girl ).

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Lauren

Only the most gorgeous man known to Earth (His name is Penn Badgley, he plays Dan Humphrey in Gossip Girl ).

He does look good....I must start watching this show

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren
Stop falsely claiming these things farhad, it's seriously getting on my wick. You have absolutely no respect for people of other faiths/no faith at all.

We've discussed this in U2U's and you NEVER answer any questions. If you even dare suggest I convert to Islam - at least provide a valid argument.

Incase you lost your mind since then and now, I shall remind you of a few of the points I brought forward to you.
[*] How do you know the modern translation of the Qu'ran that states this, is the same as ancient arabic texts that are difficult to translate anyway? [*] Validity of these texts as being "ancient" in severe disrepute. How can YOU explain to me that the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts are actually from THAT long ago?[*] You state things as "scientific facts" which in itself is a severe oxymoron. There is no such thing as a SCIENTIFIC FACT. The very basis of science is the falsify something alternative explanations, not to PROVE on explanation.[*] Not to mention the fact your apparently science is severely flawed.[*] A lot of your arguments are just copied and pasted extracts from previous internet discussions. I have caught you out a number of times on this; either you're part of a converting movement, or you actually have nothing valid to say.

Kaba being the centre of earth and it is in astronomic books that Kabaa was also a meteorite that hit the earth, how is that a false claim?

In regards to science, watch the video footage of nobal prize winners non-muslim famous scientist have said after they read shocking verses from the Quran, such as Professor Kieth Moore.

Youtube video

You have absolutely no respect for people of other faiths/no faith at all.

I do respect of other faith as Quran tells muslims to respect people of other like people of the book.

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

Lauren edit: Your comment could be interpreted as being racist/ignorant of faiths

How so? Mixing the word popadum with (typo) popaganda is not racist to anyone, the OP specified that India was the subject and popadums are a native native food. It was a good joke.

Anyone interpreting it as racist would have to be extremely ignorant and deluded and what many to refer to as "the problem".

[Lauren]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics
How so? Mixing the word popadum with propaganda is not racist to anyone, the OP specified that India was the subject abd popadums are a native native food. It was a good joke.

Anyone interperating it as racist would have to be extremely ignorant and deluded.

Where was India mentioned? At all?

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Lauren

Where was India mentioned? At all?

Mecca. (Saudi Arabia actually but the native food thing still applies)

[Lauren]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

Mecca.

That's Saudi Arabia. That's why your comment could have (and did) cause offence to someone.

The food thing doesn't apply anymore.

[Lauren]

Farhad - in response to you - there's only a small hand-picked selection of "scientists" backing the claim. But my point still stands - how do we know the translation from ancient Arabic predicted this? People (including scientists, theologians, philosophers etc) have admitted a lot of the Qu'ran was wrongly translated to fit in with modern thinking.

Also how do we know that the supposed "ancient arabic" text, WAS ancient?

(Same goes for the bible).

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Lauren

That's Saudi Arabia. That's why your comment could have (and did) cause offence to someone.

It's not offensive though. The Saudi Arabians love a nice popadum. Maybe not strictly a native word but they still eat em. The joke still works.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

It's not offensive though. The Saudi Arabians love a nice popadum. Maybe not strictly native but they still eat em.

Someone took offence because you confused two cultures ill-founded. Back on topic now, please. If you want to continue this discussion, take it to U2U.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren
Farhad - in response to you - there's only a small hand-picked selection of "scientists" backing the claim. But my point still stands - how do we know the translation from ancient Arabic predicted this? People (including scientists, theologians, philosophers etc) have admitted a lot of the Qu'ran was wrongly translated to fit in with modern thinking.

Also how do we know that the supposed "ancient arabic" text, WAS ancient?

(Same goes for the bible).

They are one of the greatest scientist, I give the list of their names that back the Quran as the word of God. Professor Keeth Moore acquired more information on embryology (which was hitherto not known to him) from the Qur'an.

Prof. Keith Moore had earlier authored the book, "The Developing Human". After acquiring new knowledge from the Qur'an, he wrote, in 1992, a new edition, (the 3rd edition of the same book) for which he got an award for the best medical book written by a single author.

This book has been translated into several major languages of the world and is used as a text book of embryology in the first year of medical studies.

The greatest Scientists testify to scientific Facts in Quran.

These are short parts of many interviews with the Prominent Scientists in the TV-Program (it is the Truth) which organized by the World Organization of scientific miracles in the Quran, which was broadcast on the Qatari- Television for more than three consecutive hours..

This Program was made during the Eighth international Medical Conference in Saudi Arabia and other scientific Conferences at that Time.

The Scientists who were interviewed during this conference are:

1) professeur keith Moore (USA)
is an eminent Specialist in world fame in surgery and embryology. this professor wrote Anatomy Book named (the Human Development). this book was considered as the best Anatomy Book in the world, written by only one author.

2)Professeur Van Bersoud (canada)
is a professor of Anatomy, pediatry, and obstetrics-gynaecology and sciences of the reproduction at the University Manitoba in Canada. He was there the president of the Department of anatomy during 16 years. He is very recognized in his field. He is the author or the editor of 22 handbooks and he published more than 181 scientific articles. In 1991, he received price more distinguished allotted in the field of the anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B., Great Price of the Canadian Association of the Anatomists.

3)Professeur Joe Leigh Simpson (USA)
is a president of the Department of obstetrics-gynaecology, professor of obstetrics-gynaecology, and professor of human and molecular genetics in Baylor College of Medicine, in Houston, Texas, the United States.

4)Professor Marshal Jhonson
is a professor highly skilled of anatomy and biology related to the development at the university Thomas Jefferson on Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the United States.

5)Professeur Gerald C (USA)
is a director of program and lecturer of medical embryology at the cellular Department of biology of the Medical school from the Georgetown University in Washington, the United States.

6)Professeur Youchedi Kuzane (Japan)
is a professor highly skilled at the University of Tokyo with Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and he was already a director of the national astronomical Observatory with Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan.

7)Professeur Tejatat Tejasen (Thailand)
is president of Autopsy Department in the University Chiang Mai in Thailand.. he was a senior of the Faculty of Medicine of the same university.
He embraced islam after reading the Quran

8)Professor William W. Hay (USA)
is a very known maritime scientist. He is a professor of geological sciences at the University of Colorado with Boulder, Colorado, the United States. Previously, he was the senior of Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University from Miami in Miami, Florida, the United States.

9)Professor Alfred kroner (Germany)
is one of the world's renowned geologists. He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany.

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Lauren

Someone took offence because you confused two cultures ill-founded. Back on topic now, please. If you want to continue this discussion, take it to U2U.

I got the countries mixed up, but not cultures, it's still a fair joke. Millions of Indians go to Mecca. I had to crow bar it in somehow, it wouldn't work with the Saudi word "fatir". You caught me out afterwards on saying the OP mentioned India (when he actually mentioned Saudi), but the joke is still OK, not offensive and it's a shame to see people pander to claimed offence at good humour. If I had known Mecca was Saudi and not India (always assumed it was Indian, but that's my ignorance coming in) I would have still crow barred in the joke for the sake of a good pun. No one was insulted initially.

[Lauren]

Farhad, again - I appreciate your reply but you're ignoring my points again.

I'll just copy and paste my previous point to stop me from paraphrasing them again.

"how do we know the translation from ancient Arabic predicted this? People (including scientists, theologians, philosophers etc) have admitted a lot of the Qu'ran was wrongly translated to fit in with modern thinking.

Also how do we know that the supposed "ancient arabic" text, WAS ancient?"

[farhad]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics

I got the countries mixed up but it's still a great joke. I had to crow bar it in somehow, it wouldn't work with the Saudi word "fatir". You caught me out on saying he mentioned Indian (when he actually mentioned Saudi), but the joke is still a good one, not offensive and it's a shame to see people pander to claimed offence at good humour. If I had known Mecca was Saudi and not India (always assumed it was Indian, but that's my ignorance coming in) I would have still crow barred in the joke for good pun. No one was insulted.

Mecca isn't in India, Mecca is in Sadie Arabia, the holy place of Islam where people go for pilgrimage.

To go to heaven I think everyone should go to Mecca as the gates of heaven is directly above it, and this is where God lives in heaven, and muslim call Kabaa the house of God.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren
Farhad, again - I appreciate your reply but you're ignoring my points again.

I'll just copy and paste my previous point to stop me from paraphrasing them again.

"how do we know the translation from ancient Arabic predicted this? People (including scientists, theologians, philosophers etc) have admitted a lot of the Qu'ran was wrongly translated to fit in with modern thinking.

Also how do we know that the supposed "ancient arabic" text, WAS ancient?"

I agree some parts was wrong mis-translated as translaters are not scientist, but there is no error in Quran in Arabic, which scientist have said this Lauren? Also the Big Bang in the Quran was translated in English before the dsicovery of it. The embryology where Quran described that the initial stages of an embryo looks like a leech was discovered after when the verses of the Quran was shown to Keeth moore. the book of Developing Human which got nobal prize was from the help of Quran & hadith.

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by farhad
Mecca isn't in India, Mecca is in Sadie Arabia, the holy place of Islam where people go for pilgrimage.

Millions of Indians pilgrimage there, don't they? I bet they pack a few popadums for the journey too. Infact Mecca's culture is considered Indian culture isn't it, aswell as parts of other cultures.

There's also a Mecca bingo, where lonely women and homosexual people make pilgrimages to, hoping to realise their dreams. Both are very popular.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by farhad

I agree some parts was wrong mis-translated as translaters are not scientist, but there is no error in Quran in Arabic, which scientist have said this Lauren? Also the Big Bang in the Quran was translated in English before the dsicovery of it.

No, I didn't mean there were errors in the arabic Qu'ran, but I meant how do we know that it's actually ancient?

[Sticks]

Spurious point but I thought the center of the Earth was a molten iron core.

It was true, many centuries ago that the Holy lands, especially Jerusalem were the centre of maps, but since October 1884 the prime meridian has been at Greenwich Royal Observatory, and of course the lattitude 0 is at the equater.

So Geographically how is this place the center of the Earth

If you want to talk about the cultural centre of Islam being this place in Mecca, I would have no problem with that. Please be specific with your terms.

As for the talking heads, apparently supporting Islam, how can we be sure this is not just Quote Mining.

[Tom]

Scientific 'facts' are not always right. And as Sticks has already said the centre of the Earth is the core.

There is no such thing as the centre of the Earth as you're trying to put it across. If anything its going to be the equator (horizontally) or the 'GMT line' (no idea what its called, but the vertical one anyway). The Earth is round and theres no way to determine where the middle is. I'll tell you what its like. Pick up a football or a marble or something, and find the centre. Now if you're going to use the argument that where the equator and 'GMT line' meet, then thats somewhere in Africa.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Sticks
Spurious point but I thought the center of the Earth was a molten iron core.

It was true, many centuries ago that the Holy lands, especially Jerusalem were the centre of maps, but since October 1884 the prime meridian has been at Greenwich Royal Observatory, and of course the lattitude 0 is at the equater.

So Geographically how is this place the center of the Earth

If you want to talk about the cultural centre of Islam being this place in Mecca, I would have no problem with that. Please be specific with your terms.

As for the talking heads, apparently supporting Islam, how can we be sure this is not just Quote Mining.

Ka'bah in Mecca was a meteorite that hit Earth, this is a fact, this is when dinosaurs became extinct.