[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well it depends how far gone they are, personally I think theyre too young to end up that bad unless theres an additonal risk of developing a psychotic illness later on, dont know what the family history is there. A lot of people in prison have got mental health problems of differing kinds and some prefer live inside to out thats for sure. Its hard to put yourself in the parents place cos the boys that did it were so young too, Im sure I'd be angry for a long while, I'd like to think I'd be able to forgive them if they truly felt bad for what they'd done though, but who knows in reality

Yeah, there is also the psychological trauma of the vicitims as well. That is going to take some time to heal.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, there is also the psychological trauma of the vicitims as well. That is going to take some time to heal.

God yeh hope theyre getting enough help what happened to them was truly truly horrific

[sooty]

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)

[InOne]

Hmmm yes, I guess bored is quite worrying. But as I said this is a pretty extreme case, and it was not like it was a gang or anything, it was just Brothers.

[arista]

Originally Posted by sooty

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)

13 years ago
New Labour said they would stop all this.
They Failed.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

13 years ago
New Labour said they would stop all this.
They Failed.

You do realise it is not a simple problem to solve and their is no quick fix solution, theyve put in place measures to tackle the problem, family liaison workers in schools, police social workers and schools working together to monitor and improve anti social behaviour...its just the start and it will take time to show results.

[andyman]

Originally Posted by Enid

To blame the parents every time is very ignorant. These kids are mentally ill and need help.

In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

[andyman]

Arista spitting out shìt again.. Of course the Conservatives would stop all this.. Hmmm.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by andyman

In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

They really didn't have much of a chance in life eh.

[informer]

i think the exact same punishment should be dealt out to them, bricks..knives and sexual acts should be repeated on them

an eye for an eye

[InOne]

Originally Posted by informer

i think the exact same punishment should be dealt out to them, bricks..knives and sexual acts should be repeated on them

an eye for an eye

That is just stupid.

[NettoSuperstar!]

How they didnt prosecute them for attempted murder aswell is madness, they intended to kill them, they left one for dead! the sentence is a joke really

[informer]

Originally Posted by InOne

That is just stupid.

you wouldnt be saying that if if happened to your own children...

[informer]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

How they didnt prosecute them for attempted murder aswell is madness, they intended to kill them, they left one for dead! the sentence is a joke really

i agree, it really should be a murder charge..i hope they end up 'near death' in that prison like what happened to their innocent victims

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by andyman

In this case we can.. Mother and father are a feking mess! The brothers were ok to watch porn dvds, horror films, drink cider, smoke their dads weed and live in a brutal home with their other brothers.. "Toxic home" the police have said..

It will be some task to undo 11 years of damage.

"It was revealed during the case that social services agencies in Doncaster, police and medics missed 31 opportunities to intervene with the brothers' family."

""However, the review has concluded there were serious failings in local services, and the Executive Summary report has indicated that the assault was a preventable incident."


Mental, how that woman was allowed to keep her kids is beyond me, she should be doing time herself!

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

You do realise it is not a simple problem to solve and their is no quick fix solution, theyve put in place measures to tackle the problem, family liaison workers in schools, police social workers and schools working together to monitor and improve anti social behaviour...its just the start and it will take time to show results.

Yes and New Labour had 13 years
but Failed.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by informer

i agree, it really should be a murder charge..i hope they end up 'near death' in that prison like what happened to their innocent victims

Dont agree with the last bit

[informer]

Originally Posted by sooty

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)

your reply is 'bothering ' me..

me and my 3 brothers had very little in terms on toys or games growing up but we were extremely grateful for what we had...

just because i was bored i didnt go and almost kill someone....

they were evil with no sense of morals in their life at all...

religion needs to be brought back in this country

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes and New Labour had 13 years
but Failed.

You really think under the Tories it would be better! lol...you have much to learn

[InOne]

Originally Posted by informer

you wouldnt be saying that if if happened to your own children...

How do you know? What would doing the same achieve, and could you do that to them yourself?

[informer]

the parents need to be in prison too

[andyman]

Originally Posted by InOne

They really didn't have much of a chance in life eh.

The parents might face court action, which is about fecking time.. Of course we can't blame parents all the time but this case we can..

The two brothers might have been damaged before birth due to their mothers huge drug taking and drinking, but their "toxic home life" did play a role with their mental state..

[InOne]

Originally Posted by andyman

The parents might face court action, which is about fecking time.. Of course we can't blame parents all the time but this case we can..

The two brothers might have been damaged before birth due to their mothers huge drug taking and drinking, but their "toxic home life" did play a role with their mental state..

Yeah of course, in most cases of abuse the abuser has often been abused themselves. Emotions blunted at an early age.

[informer]

Originally Posted by InOne

How do you know? What would doing the same achieve, and could you do that to them yourself?

I know it for a fact...

I would get similiar aged children in the prison to deal with them..

just arm them with knives, bricks and whatever they requested and let them attack them

with the victims and parents, watching behind a glass door

like the electric chair in america where the relatives of the victim watch the person die from behind a window etc in the movie 'green mile'

[InOne]

Originally Posted by informer

I know it for a fact...

I would get similiar aged children in the prison to deal with them..

just arm them with knives, bricks and whatever they requested and let them attack them

with the victims and parents, watching behind a glass door

like the electric chair in america where the relatives of the victim watch the person die from behind a window etc in the movie 'green mile'

And how exactly would you go about arranging this? You do realise they will be protected...