[Kizzy]

I agree 100% TS, people are demonised, stereotyped, marginalised,subjugated society is programmed via the media that they are criminals, drains on resources, undesirables.
This makes it easier for them to be mistreated unchallenged by 'society', they are the criminal, poor, workshy, disabled, foreign.

Can anyone hand on heart say they haven't been witness to this...Here in the UK?
Not as yet on the scale the US has it but we're never usually that far behind due to our 'special relationship'.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is the sort of excuse making that allows the latter to develop, though. If you actually take a look at history, nobody just suddenly springs up committing the worst atrocities. Things start small, and seemingly justifiable, and people let it slide. And then they escalate a little, and people let it slide. And then kids and their parents are separated, but people let it slide. Small, creeping changes. The slow, but continuous, removal of little rights and freedoms so that no individual change "seems all that big or bad". Until one day people look at the bigger picture and realise that it's ****ed up.

People are quick to make Nazi analogies, yes, that's true. But the REALLY important part of the rise of Nazi Germany and WWII is that the German people who supported that government, and fought in its armies, were not "evil" people. The German army wasn't a horde of monsters. It was just an army. They weren't funded, fed and equipped by cackling goblins in caves... the German civilians were just... people. Who fell for a tonne of propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Yup, his supporters will rubbish the Nazi comparisons but you can't really deny the similarities unless you are willing yourself not to which a lot of his supporters are doing.

It's something I've been saying a lot lately and I'll say it again, what's truly going to **** up this world is people who will believe a fiction over the reality of a situation just because they like the sound of the lies better.

Trump's ascension to power has been based on nothing but lies and not even good ones. He has been exposed time and time again throughout his campaign and in office. He speaks in nothing but lies and has **** all over his core fanbase whilst being in office but people will still vote for him in the next election, they'll wipe the **** from their eyes and ask for more because they don't care about facts, they don't care about how they are being completely betrayed by someone they've voted for, they only care that the lies that's being spun are pleasant to their ears because at the end of the day, they don't care about these kids, they aren't white so his supporters aren't bothered.

[Beso]

More marginalising and deamonising of about 30 million people by brandishing them racist just because they voted one way out of a possible 2 isnt ****ing helping matters either though...but that will be swept under the carpet.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

More marginalising and deamonising of about 30 million people by brandishing them racist just because they voted one way out of a possible 2 isnt ****ing helping matters either though...but that will be swept under the carpet.

I care more about the rampant child abuse they are endorsing then their ickle feelings tbh.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I care more about the rampant child abuse they are endorsing then their ickle feelings tbh.

Really, then why dont you save some of your inciteful rehtoric for the parents or smugglers puttung these kids in danger of being seperated from them...

[bots]

it should be pretty obvious there is a problem with Trump and his administration when Dezzy and I are in complete agreement

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Really, then why dont you save some of your inciteful rehtoric for the parents or smugglers puttung these kids in danger of being seperated from them...

I'd rather save my rhetoric for the people infringing on their human rights. I'm going to tell you right now, you can keep trying to blame the immigrants or Obama for this but it's not going to work.

This whole incident is a Trump administration **** up, it's nothing to do with Obama or anyone else because families were only seperated when Obama was in charge if kids crossed the border alone, if the parents posed a danger to the kids or if the officers didn't believe that the adults looking after them were actually parents or guardians. In the Obama years you had only a handful of families split up and only in very specific circumstances, there was never a time when Obama's administration took two thousand children away from their parents in a matter of months.

As I said before, you can either be someone that buys the bull**** because you like the sound of it or you can look at this as what it is, an egregious abuse of human rights and an all too real repeat of the internment camps that darkened the US' reputation in WW2.

[Beso]

Obamas effort didnt work though...the numbers trying to gain illigal entry keep rising month after month....this was done for nothing more than a short sharp shock to the illigals.

[Tom4784]

Oh so child abuse is okay as long as it teaches illegal immigrants a lesson.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh so child abuse is okay as long as it teaches illegal immigrants a lesson.

If thats what you class as child abuse then the parents are far worse than i originally thought....if you put your child at risk of child abuse then you deserve your kids taken away from you...lucky for them though trumps a bit of a soft touch.

[Tom4784]

Yes, I'd say separating children from their parents and putting them in confinement does count as child abuse and luckily, there's a **** ton of experts that would agree with me and no amount of trying to blame the parents will change the fact thatit was the US government doing this to children.

No amount of spin will take focus away from the fact that you are basically supporting child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, I'd say separating children from their parents and putting them in confinement does count as child abuse and luckily, there's a **** ton of experts that would agree with me and no amount of trying to blame the parents will change the fact thatit was the US government doing this to children.

No amount of spin will take focus away from the fact that you are basically supporting child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration.

It will be forgotten about in a few years, and if it helps the suffering of smuggled children in the long run then imo its a very small price to pay.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It will be forgotten about in a few years, and if it helps the suffering of smuggled children in the long run then imo its a very small price to pay.

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

The only thing this is about is criminals being foolish or uncaring enough that they will risk the well being of their or someone elses kids.

You can blame trump all you want...im fed up arguing the toss about it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

Maybe the parents should think of that before trying to gain illegal entry into another country. Blame everyone else - but not the parents for their own irresponsible actions. It isn't child abuse on behalf of the authorities and the use of such terminology is simply emotive for effect. America has a right to protect its borders as does any other country.

[montblanc]

i can't believe people are defending this child abuse

[Marsh.]

Blame the victims. Same old sorry story.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The only thing this is about is criminals being foolish or uncaring enough that they will risk the well being of their or someone elses kids.

You can blame trump all you want...im fed up arguing the toss about it.

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

America has a right to protect its borders as does any other country.

Locking kids up and leaving them sleeping on the floor is protecting their borders?

Yeah, ok.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://twitter.com/reveal/status/1009479961059647488

Immigrant children have been forcibly injected with powerful psychiatric drugs at one of the U.S. gov't shelters, Shiloh Treatment Center outside of Houston, according to court documents and interviews.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immi...awsuit-claims/

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.

They are
as the entered the USA without going through the
official border.
They broke in , that makes them criminals
under current USA laws.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.

Sounds like they'd have a legitimate claim to go through the official channels, then.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://twitter.com/reveal/status/1009479961059647488

Immigrant children have been forcibly injected with powerful psychiatric drugs at one of the U.S. gov't shelters, Shiloh Treatment Center outside of Houston, according to court documents and interviews.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immi...awsuit-claims/

Thats as unsubstantial as my obama paedo post.....i like your style.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thats as unsubstantial as my obama paedo post.....i like your style.

How? It's been filed in court documents. You seriously think people are intentionally perjuring themselves to score points against trump?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How? It's been filed in court documents. You seriously think people are intentionally perjuring themselves to score points against trump?

Well the supposed court documents on show are from b4 trumps zero tolerence stance was introduced....