[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump is avoiding London

ITV1 London News

Great that's London and Sheffield... wonder who's next?

Hang on isn't he having tea with liz?.. They better not come to Leeds!

[chuff me dizzy]

The Sheffield joke was un-elected, he has no say in what happens in Sheffield AT ALL

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great that's London and Sheffield... wonder who's next?

Hang on isn't he having tea with liz?.. They better not come to Leeds!

double whammy in London, let's not forget he's banned from the House of Commons and Westminster Hall by the Speaker

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

fly the balloon anyway

London rules

With the increased violent crime in London you are welcome to it.

[chuff me dizzy]

"Magid Magid branded Donald Trump a 'wasteman' and said the US president was now banned from entering Sheffield when he visits the UK on a tour from July 13
The mayor of Sheffield said he was declaring the day as Mexico Solidarity Day
Magid Magid does not have the power to ban anyone from the city but was determined to make his feelings towards Mr Trump known in public "

Silly twat

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

With the increased violent crime in London you are welcome to it.

Not for me, Im not keen on getting a knife between my shoulder blades or robbed by no marks on scooters

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

double whammy in London, let's not forget he's banned from the House of Commons and Westminster Hall by the Speaker

What is it you lot keep saying about free speech - but hark at the baying for blood mentality and glee at the prospect of banning someone with opinions you don’t support. All talk and no action.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Magid Magid branded Donald Trump a 'wasteman' and said the US president was now banned from entering Sheffield when he visits the UK on a tour from July 13
The mayor of Sheffield said he was declaring the day as Mexico Solidarity Day
Magid Magid does not have the power to ban anyone from the city but was determined to make his feelings towards Mr Trump known in public "

Silly twat

Never been to Sheffield - I doubt Trump will break his heart about it. though.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Never been to Sheffield - I doubt Trump will break his heart about it. though.

About 20 miles from me, and you're not missing a thing

[Withano]

Good. LOVE me some freedom of speech. Don't know why all these right wing lunatics wants us to be all PC and stuff but they should stop being so snowflakey

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Good. LOVE me some freedom of speech. Don't know why all these right wing lunatics wants us to be all PC and stuff but they should stop being so snowflakey

You’re kidding no-one. We all know who the real snowflakes are! Some freedom of speech that is - protesting against freedom of speech!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You’re kidding no-one. We all know who the real snowflakes are! Some freedom of speech that is - protesting against freedom of speech!

I posted that before reading the thread. Umm. You're literally protesting freedom of speech Brillo. Call me out as and when I do it, but you and a few others are doing it here... so.. stop being so pc (in this thread, right now)... (I mean, or carry on idc, it's been a pretty fun read).

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I posted that before reading the thread. Umm. You're literally protesting freedom of speech Brillo. Call me out as and when I do it, but you and a few others are doing it here... so.. stop being so pc (in this thread, right now)... (I mean, or carry on idc, it's been a pretty fun read).

The PC Lefties have been the ones that started this attempted control of free speech. Anything else is reacting to that and giving them a dose of their own medicine. Trump has every right to come here but when they attempt to stop him with such pathetic tactics they demonstrate without doubt their opposition to free speech when it is at odds with their own views.

So they can protest against free speech in a democratic society all they like but it will achieve nothing but expose them as a bunch of foot stampers determined to get their way. They won’t of course. Apart from anything else most are sick to death of them now and they just undermine their cause even more.

I agree it has been a fun read in more ways than one!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The PC Lefties have been the ones that started this attempted control of free speech. Anything else is reacting to that and giving them a dose of their own medicine. Trump has every right to come here but when they attempt to stop him with such pathetic tactics they demonstrate without doubt their opposition to free speech when it is at odds with their own views.

So they can protest against free speech in a democratic society all they like but it will achieve nothing but expose them as a bunch of foot stampers determined to get their way. They won’t of course. Apart from anything else most are sick to death of them now and they just undermine their cause even more.

I agree it has been a fun read in more ways than one!

Makes no sense, but cba to explain why.

You've protested freedom of speech. It's made you look super pc and snowflakey. Your second paragraph literally describes you in this thread.

[Kizzy]

I don't get how opposing trump is opposing free speech?...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Makes no sense, but cba to explain why.

You've protested freedom of speech. It's made you look super pc and snowflakey. Your second paragraph literally describes you in this thread.

Try all you like to turn it on me. Everyone knows who started the attacks on free speech.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't get how opposing trump is opposing free speech?...

Not opposing Trump, that’s not the issue clearly. First they tried to stop him coming to Britain and when they failed they resorted to this nonsence. Not even a simple protest but one flying some insulting balloon like a gang of school bullies. If that is not an attempt to shut him down I don’t know what is.

[Beso]

Can we not have the british farmers institute put this balloon thing up in the air....maybe the police might draw baton for no apparant reason again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Try all you like to turn it on me. Everyone knows who started the attacks on free speech.

Everyone knows who invented the made up buzzwords and instigated the propaganda.

Answer me this... why are they ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS proposals of good, progressive, positive or beneficial that these calls of PC and snowflake are used a a reaction to?

Think hard, I can't think of one, any positive reaction or suggestion would be virtue signalling, which is effectively speaking your mind in a fair, rational and unbiased manner.

So if being un pc is so great why does it only advocate things that are in a civilised society so damaging to so many already marginalised groups?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not opposing Trump, that’s not the issue clearly. First they tried to stop him coming to Britain and when they failed they resorted to this nonsence. Not even a simple protest but one flying some insulting balloon like a gang of school bullies. If that is not an attempt to shut him down I don’t know what is.

It won't shut him down... he's a world leader isn't he?
In the grand scheme of things it's a balloon, they are a group of protesters who disagree with him/his policies.

They can't stop him doing or saying anything.... he may be a representation for some as the embodiment of regression, he's sexist and prejudiced and doesn't appear to enjoy the notion of the free world.

For people like me who have known nothing but the advancement of rights and protections in the west the thought of someone potentially removing or rewinding that is quite unnerving.

People like stability, trump is unpredictable we have no clue what he will do yet, not do other world leaders, you can feel that. With trump in charge things just do not feel very balanced right now.

I would say this blimp is a reaction to that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Everyone knows who invented the made up buzzwords and instigated the propaganda.

Answer me this... why are they NEVER and I mean never anything good, progressive, positive or beneficial to anyone that these calls of PC and snowflake are used a a reaction to?

Think hard, I can't think of one, any positive reaction or suggestion would be virtue signalling, which is effectively speaking your mind in a fair, rational and unbiased manner.

So if being un pc is so great why does it only advocate things that are in a civilised society so damaging to so many already marginalised groups?

The buzzwords clearly came about as a reaction to PC attempting to dictate how we should all think and act on a number of subjects and shut down any and all debate. Then when they get their way they push some more and some more - not happy until they have got their way across the board. Try to control people and they tend to respond in an understandably negative way.

In a civilised society you don’t undermine the rights of one group to accommodate another. Tell me this if PC is so righteous why is there so much discord and opposition to it in every Western country. Calling them all racists and bigots is far too simplistic and just demonstrates not only an inability to listen to alternative views but a desire to simply shut them up and force them to tow the line. Doesn’t sound very civilised to me.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It won't shut him down... he's a world leader isn't he?
In the grand scheme of things it's a balloon, they are a group of protesters who disagree with him/his policies.

They can't stop him doing or saying anything.... he may be a representation for some as the embodiment of regression, he's sexist and prejudiced and doesn't appear to enjoy the notion of the free world.

For people like me who have known nothing but the advancement of rights and protections in the west the thought of someone potentially removing or rewinding that is quite unnerving.

People like stability, trump is unpredictable we have no clue what he will do yet, not do other world leaders, you can feel that. With trump in charge things just do not feel very balanced right now.

I would say this blimp is a reaction to that.

Well I guess we are all reacting in one way or another, but the flying of insulting balloons is rather anal in my view.

[Maru]

I'm not at all bothered. It's freedom of speech and it is much more likely to effect the political atmosphere there than here... would just be another headline in a never-ending news cycle for us. Anyway, Trump eats this stuff up and it only emboldens him... remember the lesson: Do Not Feed The Troll from your Welcome to The Internet pamplet... I feel like it should be in the school curriculum next to a caption with a picture of Trump grinning in front of his float. Oh well, parenting ftw.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The buzzwords clearly came about as a reaction to PC attempting to dictate how we should all think and act on a number of subjects and shut down any and all debate. Then when they get their way they push some more and some more - not happy until they have got their way across the board. Try to control people and they tend to respond in an understandably negative way.

In a civilised society you don’t undermine the rights of one group to accommodate another. Tell me this if PC is so righteous why is there so much discord and opposition to it in every Western country. Calling them all racists and bigots is far too simplistic and just demonstrates not only an inability to listen to alternative views but a desire to simply shut them up and force them to tow the line. Doesn’t sound very civilised to me.

OR.... to limit, debase and mock any rational discussion with one word or phrase.... negating any meaningful discussion or debate.

Everyone is capable of forming an opinion, who are the 'they'? if you are standing in my shoes you are 'they'... it's just someone who has a difference of opinion to you.

I wouldn't say however that what you consider PC is that powerful, when you consider that much of the mainstream media and the govt are currently quite anti PC, so in all seriousness how can they be calling all the shots?

By the same token as the racist and bigot accusation the snowflake and virtue signaler label is counter to that isn't it's no better and no worse....

However, to be accused of bigotry you have to have suggested something that marginalises, degrades or debases someone or group... to be accused of virtue signalling, well to me that kind of just means you made a comment that wasn't derogatory and was possibly helpful or informative in some way.
I fail to see how it is seen or construed as a negative?

There is so much discord atm because there is a widening gap between left thinkers and right thinkers, and some countries are lurching further and further right, Poland, Hungary, Italy, ..and I think sadly us too. It creating a gulf within Europe and here too.

I think we are in danger of losing our civility as our rights and protections are eroded, that is how I see this country going sadly, and as we enter brexit I don't trust this govt to respect those rights and protections.

That's why divisive politics are worrying as the saying goes 'divide and conquer' this is a time when the UK needs to be united and we are more diametrically opposed than ever! To everyone... the rest of the EU, the Scots, the poor, refugees literally everyone :/

The one thing that unites us at the moment is the NHS, it's like a religion in itself, a shining light of good that we can all relate to and be proud of.
There is literally nothing else.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well I guess we are all reacting in one way or another, but the flying of insulting balloons is rather anal in my view.

Haha! Maybe but as I said I think it's just a visual metaphor if trump was just a little more statesmanlike and less reactionary ... there wouldn't be this objection to him.