[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

Yikes.

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Originally Posted by montblanc

it wouldn’t have been racist if it weren’t for that last part so

Oh for goodness sake ! . Ghetto can be directed at anyone who's loud and fiery . Obviously because Natalie is American that's why she's been labelled that .

It's like the phrase "hood rat "

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Originally Posted by Hayden

"ghetto girl" is racist af. End of discussion.

I'm disappointed
Stop clutching at straws

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh for goodness sake ! . Ghetto can be directed at anyone who's loud and fiery . Obviously because Natalie is American that's why she's been labelled that .

It's like the phrase "hood rat "

‘ghetto’ and ‘hood rat’ have a different connotation when referring to a black person

[Oliver_W]

Maybe "uneducated" is a bit harsh, but she's certainly ignorant and uninformed.

She stated that the Flint water crisis hasn't been fixed is because most of the people there are black, which is just wrong. The lead pipes were laid decades ago, and the plans are lost; to find them, a lot of the city would need to be dug up, damaging roads, pavements, and the pipes which are okay. Not to mention the huge amount of money it would cost, for a poor area.

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Originally Posted by montblanc

‘ghetto’ and ‘hood rat’ have a different connotation when referring to a black person

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe "uneducated" is a bit harsh, but she's certainly ignorant and uninformed.

She stated that the Flint water crisis hasn't been fixed is because most of the people there are black, which is just wrong. The lead pipes were laid decades ago, and the plans are lost; to find them, a lot of the city would need to be dug up, damaging roads, pavements, and the pipes which are okay. Not to mention the huge amount of money it would cost, for a poor area.

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing .

I think some people who have been educated still act ignorant though.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

Take out the fact she's American.

Would he have called Kirstie a ghetto girl if she misunderstood and thought another housemate had thought up a task?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing .

Not really.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

i don’t know james jordan so i can’t comment if he’s a racist or not but i was more going on about the comment itself

it was a racist comment

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

He would never have called a white housemate ghetto girl if they didn't understand this task

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Take out the fact she's American.

Would he have called Kirstie a ghetto girl if she misunderstood and thought another housemate had thought up a task?

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that . Kirstie alley isn't famous for having physical brawls and spitting in people's face while screaming and pulling hair and rolling in dirt and bushes ,but whatever let's pretend Natalie is as innocent as her surname .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing .

Not at all.

Some people can coast through education without actually leaving their bubble and learning about life beyond the paper.

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Originally Posted by montblanc

i don’t know james jordan so i can’t comment if he’s a racist or not but i was more going on about the comment itself

it was a racist comment

Well guess what , Rodrigo's comment was bells & whistles racist yet he's still in the house so hardly in the same league.

And I think Ghetto has now become universal (yes it's American), but in pop culture when someone is loud and combative then they can be labelled "Ghetto"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that . Kirstie alley isn't famous for having physical brawls and spitting in people's face while screaming and pulling hair and rolling in dirt and bushes ,but whatever let's pretend Natalie is as innocent as her surname .

Who said Natalie's innocent or an angel?

Are you justifying racial slurs because she's not a particularly nice girl?

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said Natalie's innocent or an angel?

Are you justifying racial slurs because she's not a particularly nice girl?

Omg I can't !
Have you not seen my comments about Rodrigo using the N word !?? yet you think I would justify racial slurs . I have NEVER and will NEVER defend ANYONE being racist . But I don't think James Jordan is being racist , I'm allowed my opinion .

[armand.kay]

I've never seen a white person be described as Ghetto so it can only be racial in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Omg I can't !
Have you not seen my comments about Rodrigo using the N word !?? yet you think I would justify racial slurs . I have NEVER and will NEVER defend ANYONE being racist . But I don't think James Jordan is being racist , I'm allowed my opinion .

No, you just said the phrase James Jordan used would never be applied to someone like Kirstie because her behaviour is not the same as Natalie's.

So Natalie's behaviour invites the phrase? The phrase is racist.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

"ghetto girl" is racist af. End of discussion.

Yes but Natalie was selectively offended by Uber jokes but didn't say anything to Rodrigo about his n words.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by montblanc

if you don’t like her thats fair but she hasn’t said anything that showed her to be uneducated?

Fair point

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Originally Posted by armand.kay

I've never seen a white person be described as Ghetto so it can only be racial in my opinion.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" .

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Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes but Natalie was selectively offended by Uber jokes but didn't say anything to Rodrigo about his n words.

Exactly my point too
She giggled when Rod said the N word , it's hypocrisy . Shouldn't matter who uses that word it's still wrong

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" .

He hasn't assumed anything. He literally began the sentence "I've never seen..."

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" .

I'm speaking on my own experience

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

He hasn't assumed anything. He literally began the sentence "I've never seen..."

But it's also reinforcing negative stereotypes.

The way I see it the word Ghetto has become a general insult for someone loud and argumentative and it came across the pond .